Loric's Krill

Post by **Kinslaughterer** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:01 pm

Like I said before the Krill displays and possibly utilizes whatever the strongest force in the land is at any given time. Like the Illearth Stone, Sunbane, or Wild Magic.

Post by **Landwaster** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:09 pm

Kinslaughterer wrote:Like I said before the Krill displays and possibly utilizes whatever the strongest force in the land is at any given time. Like the Illearth Stone, Sunbane, or Wild Magic.

I reckon it displays the power of the Wild Magic ... and/or perhaps the standing of its host. As the WM and the host are meant to be one and the same ("you are the wild magic"), then I reckon whatever Covenant's state was, is what's affecting it.

But its a good argument, and quite possibly correct, that maybe it just reflects whatever is the predominant force in the Land.

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:14 pm

Kins, I'm curious about guesses on how the krill's gem might utilize a power. Other than getting reeeeeealy hot, that is.

Post by **Landwaster** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:20 pm

Fist and Faith wrote:Kins, I'm curious about guesses on how the krill's gem might utilize a power. Other than getting reeeeeealy hot, that is.

Well put a tick next to inspiration, for a start

Post by **Kinslaughterer** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:41 am

I'd guess it channels power thru the sword and the gem simply signifys the nature of that power. Perhaps it only uses earthpower but displays the strongest force present in the Land at any given time? Thats how MY krill works anyway...

Post by **Ryzel** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 3:44 am

I do not think that the Krill was originally intended to use any kind of wild magic. Remember that nothing born of the land could control the wild magic, and this certainly includes the Krill.

I think that the Krill is a weapon forged by Loric Vilesilencer for the simple purpose of channeling earthpower in a uniquely destructive fashion. He probably needed that because the Staff of Law was incapable of being used like that. I think it is significant that the wars with the Viles were the first major conflict that we know about in which the old lords were involved.

The Krill was Loric's answer to the threat they posed. It might even be that this threat was in some way connected to the Staff of Law. Loric was Berek's grandson, after all, and probably knew more about the Staff of Law than any but Berek and maybe Damelon before him.

We already know that the ur-viles were capable of making one half of a Staff of Law, might they have been trying to make their own version of the staff of law for instance? Or were they simply delving deep into the catacombs of Mount Thunder where we all know what they could eventually find.

As for the echoes of wild magic in the Krill I think what we are seing is not the echoes of wild magic in the Krill but echoes of wild magic in the Land. I.e. the wild magic makes the earthpower echo with its presence.

Post by **duchess of malfi** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 4:48 am

Kins said:

Like I said before the Krill displays and possibly utilizes whatever the strongest force in the land is at any given time. Like the Illearth Stone, Sunbane, or Wild Magic.

If this is true, then did the demondim have the most power in the Land at their time, and Loric make the krill to channel their own power against them in some way?

Post by **kastenessen** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 7:57 am

Hi there!

Good questions and difficult to answer DoM.

I have given the Krill some thought since TIW and I agree with all that you say F&F and dlbpharmd but her are my thoughts about the Krill.

What magic does the Krill hold?

For Loric it was to kill Viles in war, and later Kevin left it to future Lords as a key to the "pinnacle" of his lore that is the POC with Amok as "the way and the door".

Loric first...For me The Krill is firstly a weapon for close combat. It's a sword/dagger isn't it? The SoL is a powerful weapon but usually it is used as an aiming device of the Lord's power or as a defencive tool like the rod it is, besides being the tool of upholding natural laws(?) Compared to the Krill is the SOL more like a machinegun-hope you can forgive my analogy here. And there F&F... what magic did the Viles wield that needed the Krill to master them or kill them. (There is a scene in DUNE where Muad'dib need a blade to penetrate a shield and do it slowly as well, if done quickly the shield holds) Such might be a reason to use The Krill instead of the SOL.

What magic is there within the Krill?...It is definitely a weapon of Earthpower since it feels the precence of TC in the Land. The Krill also became tuned to TC after he in anger pushed into the stone table. It wasn't active before that so it wasn't sensitive just to his mere precence , he had to touch it?

The Old Lords were all in their full power without the "restriction" of the OOP so I guess the gem was alight at least when the Krill was in use- that is fighting. But then...only one sword, only one sword in a war, yes maybe it is as you speculate Ryzel, that it was a weapon of immense power we have not yet witnessed...no I can't figure it out...

...Now...Kevin leftit to the future Lords so that they when they had mastered Kevins Lore and not coming up with the OOP the Krill would have alighted and Amok would have appeared, the door to"the secret hidden within the seventh ward". And here is another thing... As I see it the seventh ward was never found, only "the secret hidden within the seventh ward". I mean to light the Krill you have had to obtain knowledge, to learn about power and it's use so the seventh ward might have been about this. Now it's like "to drink or not to drink"- or.. you could have said "Give me the knowledge of the seventh ward"- no, that wouldn't have worked either. First knowledge then action...

Post by **Kinslaughterer** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 9:31 am

During Loric's time Earthpower was the strongest force present in the Land so he decided to utilize it. Perhaps by accident or foresight he the Krill at least senses great outpourings of power. Its like the desecration, anybody can use it good or evil since it was made before the Oath.

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:27 pm

Hmm, the above posts bring up the very form of the krill. Whatever Loric had to fight, he needed to get the destructive power past a barrier of some sort. Hence the stabbing weapon. The Staff can't stab through a barrier, so the power couldn't be released onto the actual target.

Maybe this hypothetical barrier was one of energy. Maybe the viles developed an amazing shield. Or maybe some serious armor. (Did they wear suits of Sandgorgon skin?

)

Or maybe a barrier isn't even right. Maybe the power needed to be released directly into the body of the enemy, and the Staff just doesn't stab.

Post by **Landwaster** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:34 pm

Can someone remind me again how Mhoram came across the Krill?

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:47 pm

As she was offering it to Covenant, Elena said:

"Forty years ago, it was not in the possession of the Council. But the Staff of Law opened doors deep in Revelstone - doors which had been closed since the Desecration. The Lords hoped that these chambers contained other Wards of Kevin's Lore - but no Wards were there. Yet among many things of forgotten use or little power this was found - this which we offer to you."

Post by **Furls Fire** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:50 pm

Covenant then stabbed it into the table, and later...Mhoram removed it after discovering the secret to the RoD.

Post by **danlo** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:51 pm

dang one of Fist's kids might have hurt themselves trying to come up with that quote that fast!

Post by **Furls Fire** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:55 pm

sheesh...tell me about it danlo. I was looking for it, found and I opened this thread to type it. Lo and behold, there it was already!

I dub Fist the "Quote King"!

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:55 pm

They do what they're told!

Post by **Landwaster** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 3:12 pm

Thanks folks!

So, I know its another subject, but ... the krill's purpose, when all lit up, was to be a sign for Amok to make an appearance.

So something that includes the location of the krill (its hiding place) and the appearance of wild magic, was the signal for the 7th Ward to be made available.

Amok was disappointed that the actual signal he was waiting for wasn't present. I wonder what that actual signal was. Something that lit up the krill and also revealed its location ...

The location revelation must be relevant. Otherwise, if it was a signal just for it to start shining, then wouldn't it have started shining each of the previous times TC turned up? Hidden behind closed doors, given, but it would have glowd, nonetheless.

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 3:25 pm

I felt the sign of readiness. The krill of Loric came to life. That is the appointed word. I answer as I was made to do."

"Then you have - Amok, hear me. I am seer and oracle for this Council. I speak words of vision. I have not seen you. You have come too soon. We did not give life to the krill. That was not our doing. We lack the lore for such work."

Amok's face became suddenly grave, almost frightened, showing for the first time some of the antiquity of his skill. "Lack the lore? Then I have erred. I have misserved my purpose. I must depart; I will do great harm else."

Lord, the white gold surpasses my purpose. I felt the sign of readiness when the krill of Loric came to life. I went to Revelstone. There I learned that the krill was not awakened by the Lords of Kevin's Lore. I feared that I had erred. But now I have traveled the Land, and seen the peril. And I have learned of the white gold, which awakened Loric's krill. This shows the wisdom of my creation. Though the conditions of my life are not met, I see the need, and I appear."

My take is that Kevin did not expect anything other than his Lore to awaken the krill. He didn't expect white gold to come to the Land. The Power of Command could, I'm sure, do it, but he didn't expect anyone to be able to get to it without Amok's guidance, which couldn't happen until the krill was awakened, so...

I imagine the Elohim could awaken the krill, but Kevin probably figured they wouldn't bother. I wouldn't be surprised if a Forestal could do it, but, again, it wasn't likely to happen. Especially since the krill wasn't likely to be found until the Staff of Law was recovered. Which wouldn't happen until his 1st Ward was mastered, leading them to Mount Thunder for the 2nd, where they would also find the Staff.

Post by **Landwaster** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 3:30 pm

Doesn't it make you wonder if Kevin did a bit of work with wild magic in the past?

Its just such a darned coincidence!

Post by **Kinslaughterer** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 3:33 pm

maybe some yellow gold, since it was not unknown in the world...

Kevin's Watch

Kevin's Watch

Loric's Krill