Kevin's Watch

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:

Barnetto wrote:

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote: We were all "prepared" for the eventuality of nuclear war. But we weren't psychologically prepared for it. Not many were. Maybe some nuts hiding in fall-out shelters all their lives. And really, the Amnion were considered worse than the Soviets, far worse, provoking a kind of terror that went all the way down to the core of what makes one a human being.

Absolutely, totally agree with that. And SRD did a great job of portraying it.

But the Earth of the Gap Series had the capacity to have technologically done much more to prepare itself defensively to an Amnion ship appearing out of the Gap. And given the fear level, I found it difficult to buy the scenario in which the Earth hadn't done more to prepare itself (militarily) for such an eventuality.

But the pay-off was the ability to write the last book in the series which wouldn't have been possible without that scenario - so all is forgiven.

You agree with me, and then you go on to disagree with me. The fear element over-rode the Earth's military capability, for example, having the technology but being afraid to use it.

I'd also say corruption slows down a civilization's ability to prepare... and we have plenty of that in the GAP. Certain people benefited from the Amnion, and they wouldn't want the advantage to disappear because the Earth decides to defend itself better.

Barnetto wrote:

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:

You agree with me, and then you go on to disagree with me. The fear element over-rode the Earth's military capability, for example, having the technology but being afraid to use it.

OK - double apologies - I guess I need things spelled out explicitly to understand them!

I completely and utterly agree with the starting premise - but (as you will have guessed!) I disagree on what actions are most likely to have flowed from that premise ie I would have expected the building of more defensive military installations (like Reagan's reaction). This is potentially the whole Earth against one Amnion ship!

And I didn't read anything in the nature of the Earth military society in the Gap Series (as orchestrated especially by Holt Fasner and carried out by Warden, Min etc) that would have lead to some form of psychological freeze when it came to the need for preparations for possible war with the Amnion.

And as far as I can recall, the Ancillary Documentation tried to explain the lack of military defensive preparations by reference to the fact that the Gap Drive had distorted people's perceptions of space. Space was unimaginably large - places were unimagibably far away - and yet the Gap Drive meant (paradoxically) that those distances could be by-passed. It's the jump to the next bit of the argument that I failed to buy into. That the military failed to appreciate that risk and act on it. The populace at large might choose to ignore it - hide their heads in the sand - but not the military.

(Though there may also be a suggestion - can't recall now - that Holst Fasner had simply been unwilling to spend the necessary amounts on defence?)

OK, I've done my best to explain myself - it was just the impression that I had going into the last book.

Please don't tell me I've misunderstood you a third time - it's not good for my self-esteem on a Monday![/quote]

Now you're making me have to research this. I may post later.

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote: Now you're making me have to research this. I may post later.

Having my deficiencies of recall over a five volume epic pointed out I can live with - that won't affect my self esteem!

There was definitely something that Holt Fasner had been penny pinching with - though it may have been the Gap Drones or UMCP listening posts, I think.

Hashi Lebwohl wrote:Don't forget though, that Holt was keeping the cops undermanned and underfunded on purpose so that there was a tenuous balance of power that didn't push the Amnion into declaring war first.

Holt's ultimate fear insisted he keep the Amnion only a little farther than arm's length. Making contact with them impossible didn't fit with his agenda, and the politics of Earth required the lawmakers play nice with UMC and Holt.

There wasn't a need to build-up for war because of the 'P' in UMCP. That perception, that what was going on in space was limited to skirmishes with pirates, kept the mutation paranoia at bay. The UMCP knew better, but they were merely tools for Holt (and Warden). I'm sure there were factions that wanted more protection around Earth, but Holt controlled 'space' and unless he was for something, it wouldn't happen.

When Calm Horizons popped into Earth's space, no one had expected the Amnion to make the radical decision of holding the Earth ransom for 3 individuals.

ItisWritten wrote:

Hashi Lebwohl wrote:Don't forget though, that Holt was keeping the cops undermanned and underfunded on purpose so that there was a tenuous balance of power that didn't push the Amnion into declaring war first.

Holt's ultimate fear insisted he keep the Amnion only a little farther than arm's length. Making contact with them impossible didn't fit with his agenda, and the politics of Earth required the lawmakers play nice with UMC and Holt.

There wasn't a need to build-up for war because of the 'P' in UMCP. That perception, that what was going on in space was limited to skirmishes with pirates, kept the mutation paranoia at bay. The UMCP knew better, but they were merely tools for Holt (and Warden). I'm sure there were factions that wanted more protection around Earth, but Holt controlled 'space' and unless he was for something, it wouldn't happen.

When Calm Horizons popped into Earth's space, no one had expected the Amnion to make the radical decision of holding the Earth ransom for 3 individuals.

Thanks all for saving me from researching this.