Kevin's Watch

I'm sorry I dunno who Cosmo is.

Oh, he's the one who gave me the pepperspray.

Ohhh ... well if he carries pepperspray then he seems already to be a bit of a snag, so no, the drop wouldn't be as fierce.

I'm not sure that you can say that women had no real power in the Land. Sure Linden didn't fight Foul, but niether did TC, he let Foul kill him and accepted all the violence the despiser could throw.

We had two female High Lords (Osondrea and Elena),
four female Lords (Tamarantha, Shetra, Loerya and Amatin),
a female on Stowndown Circle of Elders (Terass),
and two female Heers at Soaring Woodhelven (Llaura and Omournil?), female soldiers (Irin and others nameless),
a female First Haft and later Hiltmark (Amorine),
two female Staff Elders (Tamarantha and Asuraka),
a female Graveller (at Stonemight Woodhelven),
a female eh-Brand (Hollian),
a female Appointed (who became the Colossus of the Fall),
a female leader of the Elohim (Infelice),
a female swordmainnir (Gossamer Glowlimn),
two female manethralls (Lithe and Jain),
female na'Mhoram in (Memla, Akasri and others nameless),
a female Storemaster and later Anchormaster (Galewrath),
and at that point I run out of energy.

Admittedly there are no female Masters, Warmarks or Eldests, but I am sure Galewrath would eventually get promoted, as I think Amorine and Asuraka would have had they lived.

Also, like has been pointed out, when both members of a couple were Lords, the women often had some sort of pre-eminance. Shetra was chosen by the Ranyhyn, Tamarantha was the spokesperson, with Variol bearly speaking, and I always got the impression that Loerya was tougher than Trevor.

the one thing I do notice is that we never see a woman weilding lillianril or rhadhamaerl lore. No female gravellingasses, hirebrands or hearthralls. Not sure why, I just found it interesting.

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Wasn't Lena somewhat able to cover for dad Trell with radhamaerl work on his behalf?

variol son wrote:a female First Mark and later Hiltmark (Amorine)

Huh? First Mark is a Bloodguard thing. How'd I miss that!? Warhaft, maybe?

And hey, I don't blame ya for runnin' outta energy.

Morrigan Fayer wrote:

variol son wrote:a female First Mark and later Hiltmark (Amorine)

Huh? First Mark is a Bloodguard thing. How'd I miss that!? Warhaft, maybe?

And hey, I don't blame ya for runnin' outta energy.

Sorry, I meant to say First Haft. I'll go fix it now.

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Landwaster wrote:Wasn't Lena somewhat able to cover for dad Trell with radhamaerl work on his behalf?

She tells TC that even though her dad isn't a healer, he has shown her how to find hurtloam. That's about all though, I think.

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Really? I was sure that at some stage, she was able to get gravelling going ... perhaps in TPTP?

Landwaster wrote:It would make more sense to use a male character for this, as males are more often than not in a position of head of family/business/etc ... so its a bigger drop for them to be ostracised and impotent etc.

But females are generally more social, and males less so. Therefore women are less equiped to deal with being ostracised.

Impotence would probably hit a guy hard, as long as was just impotence and not infetility.

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Landwaster wrote:Really? I was sure that at some stage, she was able to get gravelling going ... perhaps in TPTP?

So could Triok. Possibly all stowndowners could. I doubt it would be hugely difficult to learn. I was more talking about the hardcore stuff. I don't recall any women using lomilliolor or orcrest except for Asuraka and Amatin using the communication rods.

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Ahh fair point ... gravelling was a more or less a pilot light, the work had already been done and just needed the flames fanned.

I concede.

Concede? Have i been trying to beat you? Damn, if I'd known I would have tried harder!



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Nah I just concede that my train of thought on that was tattered and worn, and unable to hold up!

I won't concede to you. I'll never let you win, never. NEVER!

That's OK. Competition is a masculine value born out of a patriarchal value system, and I choose not to buy into it.

Can you tell I'm doing homework at the same time.

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variol son wrote:

Landwaster wrote:It would make more sense to use a male character for this, as males are more often than not in a position of head of family/business/etc ... so its a bigger drop for them to be ostracised and impotent etc.

But females are generally more social, and males less so. Therefore women are less equiped to deal with being ostracised.

Impotence would probably hit a guy hard, as long as was just impotence and not infetility.

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Missed this post ... the leprosy part of it definitely would be harder on social creatures, but in the Land, people loved being sociable, so they wouldn't have too much strife on that score.

variol son wrote:That's OK. Competition is a masculine value born out of a patriarchal value system, and I choose not to buy into it.

Don't agree with you on that point! Competition is the nurturer of striving!

btw landwaster, as a side point, elena was dead by TPTP, so she couldn't have called up the firestones, lol



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Landwaster wrote:

variol son wrote:That's OK. Competition is a masculine value born out of a patriarchal value system, and I choose not to buy into it.

Don't agree with you on that point! Competition is the nurturer of striving!

Does that mean you are on the nature side of the nature/nurture debate?

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I'm on the make "them in to mindless drones" side, better than nature and nurture put together.