Messiahs are held to higher standards

[earthbrah]

lurch wrote:

So, rather than choose between them..for any Truth, any Standard,,mix the two diametrically opposed and find Your ( in this case Linden's) own Truth, own reality. So..despair exists and is a usual spiral down into a black hole of existence..but despair can be of Use if its realized and used,,as perhaps a motivator, or catalyst or agent to get one to a reality that rises above the fray between Good vs Evil....thanks!

Hmmm, integration, yes...to mix the opposed aspects into something new and self-created. So intermixed, despair becomes but an aspect of the new whole, the new creation, not seen as opposing the good, whatever that is, but rather as an integral component of the novelty. And it loses its apparent negativeness, while also not taking on any necessary positiveness...it becomes a neutral force.

I'll take the penalty as well for my Gap reference here, but a triad of characters (Morn, Angus and Nick) who switch roles creating a new story...well, positive, negative and neutral can also switch roles in a new reality. Or concretize to become one thing, atomized as it were...

[lurch]

lurch wrote:

So, rather than choose between them..for any Truth, any Standard,,mix the two diametrically opposed and find Your ( in this case Linden's) own Truth, own reality. So..despair exists and is a usual spiral down into a black hole of existence..but despair can be of Use if its realized and used,,as perhaps a motivator, or catalyst or agent to get one to a reality that rises above the fray between Good vs Evil....thanks!

Hmmm, integration, yes...to mix the opposed aspects into something new and self-created. So intermixed, despair becomes but an aspect of the new whole, the new creation, not seen as opposing the good, whatever that is, but rather as an integral component of the novelty. And it loses its apparent negativeness, while also not taking on any necessary positiveness...it becomes a neutral force.

I'll take the penalty as well for my Gap reference here, but a triad of characters (Morn, Angus and Nick) who switch roles creating a new story...well, positive, negative and neutral can also switch roles in a new reality. Or concretize to become one thing, atomized as it were...

Integration, concretize, by jove I think you are excellent in breaking it down to comprehendable..a " wholelistic" perspective on Life rather than the divided, conflict filled perspective. The " Whole" is infinite and it will be interesting to see how the author has Linden dealing with it. Leaving Linden with her, " thats my Son!!" glow..well..just seems an opening for much more to be..experienced.. by the way of Jerry...imho.

[earthbrah]

lurch wrote:

a " wholelistic" perspective on Life

Egads, how did I never see that before! That phrase is great!

I love it, thanks for the insight...

I agree, the whole is infinite, and original, or rather from origin. Integration is a sort of resacralization of that original state, where, as opposites existed in the mind as complimentary and parts of one thing, so they existed in reality as such.

Unlike despair, the spiral goes outward rather than inward...expanding and intensifying rather than contracting and dullifying...

[Cambo]

lurch wrote:

a " wholelistic" perspective on Life

Egads, how did I never see that before! That phrase is great!

I love it, thanks for the insight...

I agree, the whole is infinite, and original, or rather from origin. Integration is a sort of resacralization of that original state, where, as opposites existed in the mind as complimentary and parts of one thing, so they existed in reality as such.

Unlike despair, the spiral goes outward rather than inward...expanding and intensifying rather than contracting and dullifying...

Is that a reference to Ken Wilber's Spiral Dynamics model?

[lurch]

the origin...Ive pondered off and on , on what character of TCoTC might represent or be of that nature. The Ranyhyn come closest to the " resacralization" , seems to me. Their display of Intuitive knowledge,,when to be where,,strikes me as being of " origin". Their " service " suggests knowledge that comes by avenues other than man's logic and reason. Its not as " pure" as we once may have believed, but doesn't that address the " re" of resacralization..? Even the Ranyhyn of the Plains of Ra,,have been removed from their Origin. Yet, its fascinating in, how many times they have transported ,,been the means..for TC and Linden to get to their destination. And how..even tho TC made a vow to not Use them..so as to not be of negation to their " resacralization"...but in the end..used them inorder to deliver ultimate Compassion..wheeew!

[earthbrah]

Cambo wrote:

Is that a reference to Ken Wilber's Spiral Dynamics model?

Well, I'm really not that familiar with Wilber's specific model...I never really gave him much credence after reading some pretty harsh and rigid comments he made in a discussion with an ex professor of mine...

lurch, an interesting idea in the Ranyhyn perhaps representing that notion of origin. Purity of service is a whole nother discussion though, I think. Hell, it's hard to know for sure what exactly the Ranyhyn are doing a lot of the time...no one really knows for sure. The Ramen have some way of communicating with them, but even then they cannot be certain of all the details. But pure or not, their service has been consistent and powerfully needful at times. It will be so again, to be sure.

I might even deem their service messianic...

[Cambo]

Cambo wrote:

Is that a reference to Ken Wilber's Spiral Dynamics model?

Well, I'm really not that familiar with Wilber's specific model...I never really gave him much credence after reading some pretty harsh and rigid comments he made in a discussion with an ex professor of mine...

lurch, an interesting idea in the Ranyhyn perhaps representing that notion of origin. Purity of service is a whole nother discussion though, I think. Hell, it's hard to know for sure what exactly the Ranyhyn are doing a lot of the time...no one really knows for sure. The Ramen have some way of communicating with them, but even then they cannot be certain of all the details. But pure or not, their service has been consistent and powerfully needful at times. It will be so again, to be sure.

I might even deem their service messianic...

Yeah, Wilber can be a real jerk-off at times, but some of his ideas are pretty fascinating. What made me think you might be referencing him was your line about the spiral expanding outward rather than inward. Wilber wrote about how as we develop as people, we need to acknowledge where we have come from while moving further up the spiral, thus each arm of the spiral "transcends and includes" the previous...

A possible example in Linden Avery finally being able to acknowledge her love for the father, while transcending his legacy of despair. Or even in Covenant's original "eye of the paradox" resolution; retaining his Unbelief while also affirming his love for the Land, whereas before he could do one but not the other.

[Cambo]

PS How do you quote specific sections of a post? I can't seem to figure it out.

[earthbrah]

Cambo wrote:

How do you quote specific sections of a post? I can't seem to figure it out.

What do you mean, your previous post seemed to use the quote feature just fine...

Yeah, Wilber can be a real jerk-off at times, but some of his ideas are pretty fascinating. What made me think you might be referencing him was your line about the spiral expanding outward rather than inward. Wilber wrote about how as we develop as people, we need to acknowledge where we have come from while moving further up the spiral, thus each arm of the spiral "transcends and includes" the previous..

Well, then what I'm saying is in agreement with Wilbur. However, I got the idea from Hoelderlin's Hyperion. But same basic idea of transcending what came before while not negating those same things.

So dacht ich, naechstens mehr...

[lurch]

PS How do you quote specific sections of a post? I can't seem to figure it out.


uhh..i copy and paste..

[thewormoftheworld'send]

PS How do you quote specific sections of a post? I can't seem to figure it out.

I copy and paste, for example, quote="Cambo" [in brackets] wherever necessary at the beginning of the Cambo quote. Of course for every one of those quotes, it requires a /quote [in brackets] at the end of, say, a quoted paragraph.

This is usually used for breaking up a post into sections to be commented on individually. It's also necessary when nesting quotations to keep the number of end-quotes (/quote) equal to the number of those at the quote starts.