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Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 12:33 am
by Cambo
I think Linden's resurrection of Covenant and Covenant's bargain with Elena had very similar motivations and outcomes. They both want someone else to take their place, assume their burden of saving the world. Linden just wants to save her son. Covenant just wanted to get the Hellfire out of there.

Covenant's bargain turned out to have immediately disastrous, but ultimately essential, consequences. Without Elena's death, it's unlikely Covenant would have had the motivation to go to Foul's Creche and kick some ass. Without Elena breaking the Law of Death, he wouldn't have been able to repeat the act under Mount Thunder 3 1/2 thousand years later.

I think Linden's resurrection of TC will be similar, although the stakes are clearly the highest they've ever been.

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:21 pm
by SerScot
Vraith,
Vraith wrote:I've said this otherwhere, [long in the past, and just a few minutes ago, and in between]...and I'll probably say some more.
Anyone is perfectly free to dislike Linden...but self-pity is demonstrably false unless you want to redefine it.
Her anger at Covenant when he asked her not to Touch him after rescuing her from the clutches of SWMNBN wasn't self-pitying? Covenant explained his reasons for not wanting to be touched a couple of times but she continued to whine and be angry about Covenant's request.

That's self-pity, in my humble opinion. I will acknowledge that self-pity and despair are kissing cousins at least. That said if she's wallowing in despair how can she accomplish anything?

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:58 pm
by Cambo
Not sure about self-pity, but that whole sequence made me want to slap the pair of them. Probably because it's so damn typical of them. :lol: (remember the first half of WGW?)