Is this World a hell when compared to the Land?

Post by **Revan** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 6:04 pm

Yeah... I think this world is a hell compared to the Land.

Post by **UrLord** » Thu Jan 15, 2004 4:07 am

"believing in god is for the silly and uneducated"...Huh. First time I've heard (seen...read...shut up) anyone else mention this kind of arrogance so clearly. Most people are either blinded by their own superiority to blindly raging if/when they touch the subject. Meh

"evolution is the utter truth"...isn't it? Granted, Darwinian Evolution is certainly not the Ultimate Answer to Everything, but the general idea of evolution is simply the idea that species change over time. Which is true, as scientists have shown. Whether or not "survival of the fittest" or "random genetic mutation" somehow combine with "gene drift" and the other one...damn, I've already forgotten the other "evolutionary factor," but nevermind that...to change a single cell into human beings remains to be seen, the idea of species changing over time is hard to dispute...without sounding like a complete moron, anyway...

But...er...back to the question posed by the topic at hand. Yes. I think that was the point, you know...to make the Land so wonderful that even a cold and distant guy like TC can be moved to love and sacrifice himself for it.

Post by **[Syl]** » Thu Jan 15, 2004 9:38 pm

Woo hoo! Chick tracts! The most unintentionally funny man to ever live.

Post by **Skyweir** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 12:16 am

lol .. or intentionally funny!! that was brilliantly done .. i never heard of Chick tracts before ..

i think your last sentence iterates the reason SRD married someone like TC to somewhere like the Land .. and its inhabitants

SRD is pure genius!!

Post by **TRC** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 3:09 am

IMPO ! I think they are pretty comparable.
Ur-viles (no offense) vs Warmongering dictators,

Pestilence vs. drought , famine, incurable diseases.

The Clave vs. Communism

Ritual of Desecration vs. Pollution and Destruction of Mother Earth.

I think Donaldson captured the plight of the real world, vs. the Foul abominations of the Land very well.

Post by **variol son** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 3:10 am

It would all depend on your point of view. In LFB, when asked about his world, TC thinks to himself;

We have cancer, heart failure, tuberculosis, multiple sclerosis, birth defects, leprosy - we have alcoholism, venereal disease, drug addiction, rape, robbery, murder, child beating, genocide

From that viewpoint, our worldis definately hell when compared to the Land, and yet TC chooses not to mention all the things that are good about our world. I believe this is because what makes the Land wonderful also makes our world wonderful; the people that we know and love. TC had no one to love or be loved by, so there was very little good to say about his own world.

Sum sui generis
Vs

Post by **UrLord** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 5:04 am

you're right, he did leave out quite a bit. We also have spyware, trojans, adware, popups, idiots, newgrounds users (but I don't need to repeat myself), overprotective parents, uncaring parents, Microsoft, and Dunkin' Donuts

Though, to be fair to TC, that wasn't all around when the books were written.

Post by **Skyweir** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:04 am

regardless our world cannot compare to the purity of the Land and the social understanding that exists among the inhabitants.

when i read of the Land what strikes me as noteworthy beyond the natural environment which is pristine .. is the respect and reverence shown among their communities.

i love the way the people of the Land communicate and treat each other.

Post by **TRC** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:13 am

but we had that in th past and still have a little of it left.

There are still places on Earth now that are majestic and pristine.
The Druids worshipped the LAnd and sought to be in tune with Mother Earth.
I still don't see anything that can seperate the two.. I still Hold tight to the belief that The Land is a Future World of The Current Earth.

Post by **duchess of malfi** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:31 am

What Sky said was very true in the First Chronicles, but not in the Second, where every Stonedown was at war with every neighboring Stonedown.

They became worse than us, if anything.

It will be interesting to see what SRD does to the Land in the Third Chronicles...

Post by **duchess of malfi** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:33 am

And TRC, you are right. There are places of pristine and wonderful beauty in our world, too. And there is also a lot of love and a lot of joy here, too.

Post by **Skyweir** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:53 am

duchess of malfi wrote:What Sky said was very true in the First Chronicles, but not in the Second, where every Stonedown was at war with every neighboring Stonedown. They became worse than us, if anything. It will be interesting to see what SRD does to the Land in the Third Chronicles...

lol .. and yes indeed .. * i bow to your correction* indeed that is true .. I always tend to think of the majesty of the Land in terms of the 1st chronicles!!

thankyou duchess!! I just didnt even consider the 2nd chrons land which as you say was a far cry from the beauty of the first!!

and that is a very good point .. cos the 2nd chrons .. is far worse than our world imho .. and comparing these two worlds .. it would be the Land .. at least that subject to the sunbane .. that would be hell!

Post by **UrLord** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 8:57 pm

well, the only reason the Land in the second chronicles beat us (the real world) in terms of horribleness is because it had the help of a super-powerful evil guy. I think we did pretty well on our own without Foul's help.

Post by **DukkhaWaynhim** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 9:40 pm

Let's change things up a bit to answer the question from a different angle.

If you believe the Land is a figment of TC's imagination
Mhoram's statement is a part of TC's mind trying to give him some much-needed self-pity at the terrible state that he's in, physically, mentally, and spiritually. At this point, I think TC believed at least on some level that he deserved this treatment as part of simply being a leper.

If you believe the Land exists
Mhoram could have been speaking metaphorically. "Your world" may just mean Covenant's life as a resident on planet Earth. Perceived through Covenant's eyes before the end of 1st Chronicles, well of course our world is a Hell, because that's the way TC experienced it. Imagine yourself as a not-really faithful American with leprosy just recently in remission, newly divorced by a wife that walked out on you because you got a random illness, oh and now you're a complete social outcast from any human contact, and see how this affects your positive outlook. At this point, Covenant still thought he was delusional in his visits to the Land, so he didn't pause when he demanded to be sent back to save the little girl--who mattered because she was 'real' to him.

At the time that he was almost drawn into the Land, TC was experiencing Hell in our world, but that doesn't mean the whole place is for s**t.

[last word now properly bleeped

]

DW
[Weird, warped, and winging it]

Post by **danlo** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 12:33 am

I couldn't have said it better, but:

that last word may very well NOT b 1 of the 7 words of power!

Kevin's Watch

Kevin's Watch

Is this World a hell when compared to the Land?