Kevin's Watch

No question that Favre is the "studliest" qb ever. His consecutive start streak attests to that. He plays through nagging injuries, like Steve McNair.

But Montana was twice told that he had career-ending injuries. The first time, it was his back, and yet he came back after major surgery and won two more Super Bowls. The second time, it was his throwing elbow, and yet he came back after major surgery and brought KC to the championship game.

Hey, there's no need to drag Montana's name through the mud, Roland. He was a great QB! No matter what you might think, Montana was definitely better than Dawson.

Montana is the god of QBs. Im only an Aussie and dont have as much background knowledge of NFL but I watched the 49ers and Joe win his first Superbowl and I was mesmerised. I havent seen a QB as exciting or interesting or who could do the job like he could, although Steve Young was a great quarterback too. I like Randall Cunningham and Brett Favre too.

The QB I feel most sorry for is Jim Kelly .... how many Superbowls did the Bills lose?????

Dandy, I assume you're joking about me dragging Montana's name through the mud. Somewhere in this post I rank Montana numero uno, and although I think Dawson is the best offensive player the Chiefs ever had, I wouldn't rank him in the top ten quarterbacks all-time.

So your entire post is doing a fly-by on me.

Joke, yes. I merely thought that his years as a Chief were not quite as spectacular as the 49er years.....

Yes, Montana was in the twilight of his career and still managed to get the Chiefs into the playoffs both of his seasons here. Yet another reason I rank him number one.

He was in a very strange situation in San Francisco in his later years. While Joe was injured, Steve Young had proven he was a superstar quarterback, too. How do you keep both? Yet how do you put someone like Joe on the bench? So a trade was inevitable.

Tom Brady!

That took you longer than I expected, Brinn!

Well, I don't know if Brady can be ranked among the all-time qbs yet, but his efforts yesterday have certainly made him the most eligible bachelor on the planet.

By the way, congrats to the Hall of Fame class of 2004 - Elway, Sanders, Brown and Eller.

Sure can't argue with those first two. And both of them had the sense to leave the game while they could still walk away relatively healthy, and be remembered not as has-beens but still playing at the top of their skills. That's very rare for athletes.

Favre is the MAN!!!!

Also, Vinnie Testaverde, John Elway, and Joe Montana.


-B

Sorry dAN. Sleep deprivation and all...I'm off my game a little!

VINNY TESTAVERDE! In the same breath as Elway and Montana! Come know Baradakas. That's not right.

Testaverde played most of his career with a terrible team, the pre Tony Dungy Bucs - this probably hurt his chances, but he did have a few years to shine with the Jets - and he still came up short. He won't make the Hall of Fame.

I believe Marino is up next year. Didn't he play just one year longer than Elway? And Reggie White must be retired four or five years now, too.

LOL Brinn!

You gotta admit, the man had heart though.

Besides, Favre's the best thats ever been.

Farve! No way-Young had Farve for lunch! Grilled cheese sandwich!

I disagree. Young and Farve are both too good to be considered another QB's lunch. Testaverde, on the other hand....well, I got to watch him up close, living here in Tampa. His best games were the one against Green Bay when he was sick with the flu, and one here against Minnesota, the game after Ray Perkins was fired. The fact that it was those two games always left me with the impression that he couldn't withstand intense coaching.

Good thing he didn't play for Chucky! It's my personal problem anyway, while I have to agree that Elway and Farve are two of the best QBs of all time I simply can't stand them...but I disagree back, just to disagree with you

Wow. Elway seems like such a nice guy personally. In fact, most QB's seem really likeable. I'd love to goof off with Bradshaw in particular.

dANdeLION wrote:I think Tom has seriously underestimated Favre. I think he will challenge all of Marino's records, and he is primed to beat Unitas' 47 game TD record (he's at 25 right now; he'll have it by week 8 in 2005 if ha can do it). He already owns the postseason consecutive TD record, and several others. His consecutive starts record is amazing; equalled by only Lou Gehrig and Cal Ripken Jr. I think he's the best; but if Vick can get healthy and stay that way for 15 years, then we'll see what happens.

Tom did indeed undervalue Brett. If you ever get a chance to see him play live...you will have to wear a chin guard. You see, over time when your jaw drops to the hard concrete of Lambeau field as you watch Favre make throws that humas are not intended to make...it starts to get raw and hurt.

Yes Brett throws picks, but half of them are because our receivers are dumb and don't run routes well, or break off routes. Favre belongs in the top 3 or 4.

Mind you, this is 'Greatest', not necessarily 'Best':

Modern Modern Era ('78+)
1. Favre - no one, and I mean absolutely nobody has
played at that level for that long, sans the
INTs, his career stat line is flat out insane
2. Elway - five super bowl appearances, one man show
with the first three
3. Montana - four rings, great leadership, very good stats
4. Brady - three and one in the big game, second
greatest passing season ever during
the greatest team season ever during the
longest winning streak ever, also deadly
accurate and great at reading Ds
5. Marino - best pure passer in history, two of the top
four passing seasons ever
6. P. Manning - probably will finish career in top three
all time statistically, probably second
best pure passer ever
7. Young - Great all around quarterback with a short
career. All time leader in career passer rating.

Classic Era ('77-)
1. Unitas - Truly great leader, passer and...runner.
2. Graham - Ten championship games in a row, winning
seven and a great passer and leader
3. Tarkenton - Elway before Elway, three SB appearances on
average teams
4. Bradshaw - somewhat overrated, but still very, very
good on a great team
5. Starr - Two Super bowl wins, one mvp, ridiculously
efficient
6. Baugh - this is the man who made the pass a viable
play, probably best known for getting
annihilated by the Bears 73-0 in the
Championship game, came back two years
later to beat the Bears winning his second
Championship
7. Jurgensen - greatest passer of the 60s, Lombardi says
so...and so do his stats

This has been a very educational thread for someone like me who who knows very little about the NFL and its history. (Where are you, Roland?)

However, I do remember watching Joe Montana when he won the Superbowl with the 49ers. Like Infelice, I was mesmerized by him. I didn't have to understand the minutiae of the plays to recognize I was looking at someone in total mastery of what he was doing. I didn't become a fervent follower of the NFL, but I'm glad I glimpsed one of its greatest players in his prime.