What's the most unsettling part of the Chronicles?

Post by **Prince of Amber** » Wed Nov 20, 2002 12:06 pm

Looking back I guess the rape disturbs me most, but I take Landwasters point about it happening before you'd really got into the story. Apart from all the ones already nominated I hated the thought that the First would try to chop Covenants arm off on the deck of the Dromond when he'd been bitten by the rat/raver. Can you imagine how that would have effected Covenant if he'd woken up with a whole arm amputated?

Post by **Landwaster** » Wed Nov 20, 2002 12:38 pm

Well considering he reckoned he couldn't trust himself being so powerful and loaded with danger ... maybe he would have welcomed the opportunity to be 'armless.

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Post by **Prince of Amber** » Wed Nov 20, 2002 3:37 pm

Good one.

Post by **amanibhavam** » Wed Nov 20, 2002 7:27 pm

most upsetting part was when that woman cut off her tits... oh, wait, that was in the Gap...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Nov 24, 2002 8:53 am

I am Rocky, salt heART FOAMFOLLOWER WHO WAS TOO LAZY to log on...

ooo, maybe I shouldnt read the gap series then.
When I look at the chrons, I see a series of both love and hate-- war and peace. Scenes like the rape or when srd describes a bloodguard jumping in front of the lord the save him (part from LFB, I think when they were going to mt thunder) and he gets stabed under the arm and falls to his death are just scenes for war. Can you imagine a violent scene without violence? They are scenes to describe the severity. and about you cussing people, watch your f@*&!*n mouth. The chrons are full of weird a$$ sh!t. But its for a reason. How could we tell how bad ravers are if they dont kill people? How could we tell how devoted the bloodguard were if you dont see them sacrificing themselves? how could you see how cruel the town was if SRD didnt show the sticking a razor in his bread? I think SRD did a perfect job in describing characters. Remember, THere are two different types of charactors-- ones that you already know if theyre bad or not (i.e bin laden) and charactors you have to find out their personality by reading the book (i.e-- bilbo baggins)
so You might want to realize that. (last I checked he bit in extremely hard in anger into the bread and ......)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Nov 24, 2002 8:59 pm

very true. if we couldn't see what the ravers do, we would not know how evil they are! same with the razor blade (ick!)

Post by **Foamfollower1013** » Mon Nov 25, 2002 12:02 am

The massacre of the Giants, definitely. The entire Second Chronicles - the Clave really gives me the creeps. And Soaring Woodhelven was pretty bad too.

Elena also creeped me out, coming onto her father. That woman had some serious issues.

Call me a romantic--but Salty sinking in2 the lava in TPTP--on my first read I truly tought he was dead. Talk about ur caamora!

Oh, absolutely. That was the last chapter I read before I went to bed, and it made me cry. Then the next day I went around all depressed.

~Foamy~

Post by **Lord Mhoram** » Mon Nov 25, 2002 1:14 am

A lot of the whole Covenant/Foamfollower relationship in TPTP made me really emotional...

Post by **[Syl]** » Mon Nov 25, 2002 3:33 am

Yep, I get a little lachrymose myself when rereading some of the more poignant TC/FF moments.

Post by **Earthblood** » Mon Nov 25, 2002 6:07 am

Pietten & his taste for blood is just weird & gross - and prophetic, I guess

Post by **Landwaster** » Mon Nov 25, 2002 9:43 am

Sylvanus wrote:Yep, I get a little lachrymose myself when rereading some of the more poignant TC/FF moments.

lachrymose - tending to shed or induce tears.

Cor blimey keep it simple for us down here, will yer!

Post by **[Syl]** » Mon Nov 25, 2002 6:04 pm

Okokok, so I cry like a school girl with a skinned knee. Happy?

lol

Post by **Landwaster** » Mon Nov 25, 2002 7:45 pm

hehe ... just appreciative of your vocab!

Post by **Lord Mhoram** » Mon Nov 25, 2002 8:01 pm

Man, I forgot about that dude.

Tue Nov 26, 2002 5:13 pm

Had to be Elena coming on to dad??! YECHHHHHHHHHH

Post by **Landwaster** » Tue Nov 26, 2002 8:09 pm

That's true ... it had me flicking through earlier pages to see if I'd had Elena mixed up with someone else ... what was she ON?

onions · Post by **onions** » Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:47 pm

Hi Brinn and Landwaster!
about Elena coming on to her dad: Yes, I spent quite some time wondering whether someone else had managed to get at Lena while TC was gone! I just refused to believe that TC was Elena's dad, until SRD explicitly said so.

Anyway, now I see the story in a mostly symbolical kind of way, and I was thinking: In terms of what Lena and Elena mean to the narrative structure of the book, can it be that they are actually the same person? The same "narrative unit"?
I know it sounds daft but:
- They never turn up at even vaguely the same time
- They provide the same thing to the story, making the essence of the land converge in a "leading lady". I mean (theory), together they are the Land personified in a female. It makes TCs conflicts with the Land more interesting, because it adds the element of sexual conflict.
- If seen as one person, one could say that they live one life cycle throughout the Chronicles, starting out as a girl and ending as an old woman (just like the seasons go through one entire cycle in the course of the trilogy, IIRC)

So maybe Elena trying to seduce her dad is not so strange, because she is another incarnation of the leading lady, previously her mother. On account of the rape, she still has unfinished business with him (you know, letting him redeem himself etc.).

Or maybe SRD's just a horny old bugger!

Anyway, the scene I personally found most disturbing is not int the Land at all, but at the Easter Revival. The potential for human despite displayed there just staggered me (even worse than the razor blade in the bun).

onions

Post by **duchess of malfi** » Mon Dec 02, 2002 5:21 pm

Hi onions! I also find the more fanatical religious people from the real world to be somewhat disturbing...especially since they involve little kids in their activities. All of those poor kids with their burned hands...
I've not fully thought this out, but in answer to your post about Elena/Lena, I've had glimmerings that they and Atiaran have some things in common with the old European triple aspect moon goddess. At different parts of their lives they definately have the maiden/mother/crone thing going on...three women/goddesses in one...I'll have to think on that some more, though...maybe try to dig out some mythological theory books like Frasier...

Post by **Lord Mhoram** » Mon Dec 02, 2002 8:16 pm

God, those kids were scary, depressing, and a sad case.

Post by **Landwaster** » Mon Dec 02, 2002 10:24 pm

Yep and the sermon in the tent wasn't much better.

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What's the most unsettling part of the Chronicles?