Kevin's Watch

I doubt it... I think Foul is gonna heal himself with Thomas; and thereby turning Thomas over to the Dark Side of the Wild Magic.

Well, from the spoilers posted a while back (chapter 5 I think?) it sounds like Roger is insane. Perhaps Foul has influenced him and he's going to take Joan to the Land to get Foul Joan's white gold?

In that spoiler, weren't the Waynhim tending to Joan and random spouts of wild magic were coming from her ring. Maybe Foul is using her to heal himself?

Impossible I say


heh, maybe

Impossible I say


heh, maybe

I don't think Nom with feature in any of these books. however, the Sandgorgons (is that spelled right? I cannot remember) will feature I think. Their potential is too big to leave them out of the story entirely.

Didn't someone suggest earlier that a Sandgorgan may be possesd by a Raver? Spooky.

No, but Nom does have a Raver in him

In that spoiler, weren't the Waynhim tending to Joan and random spouts of wild magic were coming from her ring. Maybe Foul is using her to heal himself?

Spoiler

Actually, it was skest. The Waynhim will most likely not be in the Last Chronicles - remember, the last of the Waynhim were gathered with Hamako against the croyel-led arghuleh.

Yes you're right - it wasn't the Waynhim. Sorry

There are a lot of "hints" about things in the First Chronicles
that happen in the Second Chronicles. (Sandgorgons, Elohim, 3 Giant
brothers born that ends the Unhomed's demise, ect.)
Mr. Donaldson said that when he wrote the First Chronicles, there were
no plans to continue... but there was more to the story.
Maybe there are items in the Second Chronicles (or hints) that point
to events, races, or main characters in the Last Chronicles.

It has already been said that The Land is destroyed.
Maybe Foul wins this time.
Could it be that Foul has control over Covenent's family?
Maybe Thomas and Joan (or Avery, or Roger) team against The Despiser.
Who knows? (Besides SRD)
We can speculate all we want,
but we really just won't know until October 14th.
(The date that Barnes & Noble has for the release date.)
I cannot wait! I will hold my breath until then.
...getting weak. Turning blue...in...face.
*Passes out and smacks head on edge of table.*
Am I being summoned too? Hellfire!

I dont know.. but for Covenant to come back to life...even with the law of death/life broken will require a price of some sort. Also Linden has to come back to the land somehow and unless the creator somehow brings her in as TC did in the First chronicals, then she will be a tool and will not become attuned to the Land.

I forsee the creator somehow bringing her in. Foul can get at the white Gold all he wants but he cant get past Covenant. I think Roger is going to be the tool of Lord Foul. But... Somehow he has to get Covenant back to life so that he no longer stands in the way of the Arch. The leverage is Roger of course. Linden is the messenger to take the message to Covenant so that he knows not only is Joan in trouble.. but this time its his son. Hmmm I wonder how much time will have gone by this time.. Must be thousands of years.. I wonder if somehow Sunder and Hollian will be alive since they were changed by Cael Caveral?

SoulBiter wrote:Also Linden has to come back to the land somehow and unless the creator somehow brings her in as TC did in the First chronicals, then she will be a tool and will not become attuned to the Land.

Not necessarily. Covenant was summoned to the Lnad three times by someone other than the Creator (Drool Rockworm, High Lord Elena, and Triock and Foamfollower) yet he was not a tool in any of those circumstances. He only became a tool (if you believe that he became one at all) because he surrendered to the Despiser to save Joan. Therefore, Linden will only become a tool if she surrenders to the Despiser in some way when she is summoned. Also, don't forget that she could become a tool of the creator as well as the Despiser, and if that happens then the Arch of Time will be destroyed. That is why the Creator could never help Covenant, and I believe that is why Linden will be summoned by either Lord Foul, or someone working on his behalf. In either situation, she remains free as long as she does not submit to Corruption.

Additionally, I don't believe the manner of her summoning would affect her percipience. After all, she is the Sun-Sage, just as Covenant is the ring-wielder. She created the new Law when the Sunbane was defeated. I am inclined to think that her percipience grows out of who she is, not out of any lack of surrender to the Despiser.

Sum sui generis
Vs

variol son wrote:

Additionally, I don't believe the manner of her summoning would affect her percipience. After all, she is the Sun-Sage, just as Covenant is the ring-wielder. She created the new Law when the Sunbane was defeated. I am inclined to think that her percipience grows out of who she is, not out of any lack of surrender to the Despiser.

Sum sui generis
Vs

Then why would Covenants percipience have been affected. I never saw what TC did as surrender to the despiser.. He traded himself to death to save Joan. Now perhaps it was his belief that he was a tool that made the difference. Just as it was always a mental block that kept him from realizing that he could use the White Gold.

Taken from a previous post from an online bookseller - this much they DO know.. <grin>

"Now comes the book every fantasy reader has been waiting for. Dr Linden Avery, the Chosen, Covenant's companion, is drawn back to the Land, seeking her adopted son, stolen by Lord Foul, and desperate to stop the evil being caused by Covenant's now-mad wife Joan and his son Roger. And though she believes Covenant dead, he keeps sending Linden messages: 'Find me', and 'Don't trust me'. The Land is in turmoil, and Lord Foul has plans for them all ..."

Nevertheless - the previous post regarding the bones of the land crying out in the only way they can to me would be interpreted as earthquakes, storms etc etc - which may also explain the cryptic comment with regards the demise of Kevins Watch..

Sooooooo.... of Linden's son we do know he is adopted and I seem to remember somewhere that he is autistic - perhaps in here we can find an analogy for the state of the land?

Oh........ and 2 white gold rings.........

<grin>

[quote="SoulBiter"]Then why would Covenants percipience have been affected[quote]It wasn't - at least, not his specifically. In the Sunbane-ravaged Land, Linden was the only person who could see in that way. It's not that Covenant was robbed of his Landvision (TM ), it was everyone - Linden was the sole exception. It follows that it wasn't so much that TC lost something, rather that Linden had something no-one else did.

SoulBiter wrote:Then why would Covenants percipience have been affected

CovenantJr wrote:It wasn't - at least, not his specifically. In the Sunbane-ravaged Land, Linden was the only person who could see in that way. It's not that Covenant was robbed of his Landvision (TM ), it was everyone - Linden was the sole exception. It follows that it wasn't so much that TC lost something, rather that Linden had something no-one else did.

Indeed. The first time around, Covenant only gained his Land-born percipience after being treated with hurtloam; and in TPTP, when the Land was frozen and the hurtloam hidden or slain, he didn't gain it at all. He was warned specifically in TWL that the Land had lost its power to heal him. Obviously the Land had also lost the power to gift its own people with vision. By the standards of the Clave, every inhabitant of the Land in the time of High Lords Prothall and Elena was a Sun-Sage.

True enough... and even the Haruchai didnt have the same vision either until they took the vows of the bloodguard. Good points.. thanks. Sometimes it takes someone elses eyes to get a clearer understanding.

SoulBiter wrote:Hmmm I wonder how much time will have gone by this time.. Must be thousands of years.. I wonder if somehow Sunder and Hollian will be alive since they were changed by Cael Caveral?

Hasn't the gradual interview established that the span of time is about the same as between the first and second chronicles?

I don't think that Sunder and Hollian have been made longer-lived. I'd expect we might find that they've established some sort of line, either in their children, or in the possession of the Staff of Law, or both, and that we would encounter the hundred-and-something-th generation.

I'm surprised that the "corruption of time" hasn't come up in this topic yet.

As I said in another post, I'm guessing that this is not going to be some sort of time line or time travel story, because I believe that SRD is going to be more unique than that. (Or is "hope" the more appropriate word?)

The Arch of Time allows the Earth to exist. It does so by it's nature - it creates a medium in which things can change over time, in which effect follows logically from cause, and in which what is done cannot be undone.

This might be a time paradox story, in which Foul changes the past in order to change the present or the future, in order to create a paradox that unravels the arch. But I can't see how that ties in with everything else we know.

All we can be sure of is that Foul is going to try and make Thomas or Linden or Joan or someone do something that they wouldn't otherwise do; and that the curruption of time is a lever he uses to this end.

SoulBiter wrote:I never saw what TC did as surrender to the despiser.. He traded himself to death to save Joan. Now perhaps it was his belief that he was a tool that made the difference. Just as it was always a mental block that kept him from realizing that he could use the White Gold.

Covenant surrendered the white gold to Foul. So, not only did he surrender himself, but he surrendered the ring. This is significant, because in doing so, Foul used Covenant's power against him. This was the only way for Covenant to literally and completely become the white gold free of venom. When Foul hit Covenant with wild magic, he burned the venom away. By placing himself in front of the Arch, Covenant became part of it's keystone, it's foundation...Wild Magic.

Now, in the Last Chrons, I see alot of things happening. All those little doors Donaldson left open. Foul burrowing in Time itself to regain his strength is just awesome, but guess what...Covenant is also Time. He's its "protector". In his analogy, Donaldson says that the First Chrons where Covenant defeating Foul, The Second Chrons were Covenant surrendering to Foul, and the Last Chrons will be Covenant accepting and becoming Foul. In this way, we will see the ultimate battle between the two of them. Which will, I have no doubt, destroy the Arch and the Land.

"and in doing so, making the universe new."