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CovenantJr wrote:Indeed. And if that was the case, I think there would have been more chance of him expecting one of the Potters to survive.
Not necessarily. He didn't know Harry would survive because of his mother's sacrifice because he never took much notice of that sort of "old magic". So someone could have died for him years before, and he never knew what it meant until that fateful night at Godric's Hollow.

As for "taking steps to insure he wouldn't die", that sounds too easy to me.

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That still doesn't seem to fit...

and no, considering we have no ideas what those steps were, it doesn't sound too easy.

If waht you're saying happened then he wouldn't have known that he couldn't be killed by the killing curse until it was done on him... but he did (or at least hoped). He had actively been seeking immortality, it didn't just find him, as you are suggesting.
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I think the difference is that when Rowling writes that Voldemort took steps to insure that he wouldn't die, I take that to mean that he couldn't die of old age or illness or a dagger through the heart, muggle-type ways of dying if you will. I never read anything about trying to resist the killing-curse into it.

Looking at it that way, my idea of someone dying for him could possibly work. However, if you imagine that she means he was seeking for a way to counter Avada Kedavra, as I'm guessing you have, then no, my idea doesn't hold.

It's all in the way you interpret what is said. Like when Hagrid tells Harry that there wasn't a wizard went bad that wasn't in Slytherin. Many people took this to mean that Sirius (who everyone thought went bad) and Wormtail (who actually did) must have been in Slytherin, and that therefore James Potter was as well. I merely thought that Hagrid was exagerating, as people are wont to do.

As to Voldemort not dying because he took steps to insure he wouldn't being or not being enough, I was merely trying to coax out some ideas as to what kind of steps he may have taken.

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variol son wrote:As to Voldemort not dying because he took steps to insure he wouldn't being or not being enough, I was merely trying to coax out some ideas as to what kind of steps he may have taken.
Healthy eating and a kevlar jacket ;)

I take the comment about "taking steps to ensure he can't die" to mean he's avoiding all death, not just natural causes. That he strove to make himself impervious to the state of being dead. If that is the case, then that would resist Avada Kedavra (that name's a terrible pun - too much like " 'ave a cadaver " :lol: ) as well, since he would be simply unable to be dead.
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yeah, that's what I took it to mean.
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i always thought it was more like abbra cadabra....heh...


anyway, i dont really think all i said was what she meant, i just happened to be typing my theory, then it all just sorta came out...and it sounded pretty cool...but..i dunno...

id say that by "taking steps", she means what was said a few posts up...that Voldemort gave himself immortality...or, at least a way to float around as his esssence and possess people...

If he had already had the power of imortality, or ensured that he could never die, then he would never have had need to drink Unicorns blood in the first book...Unicorns blood is, as we all know, used to keep whoever it is that drinks it alive no matter what, even if their at the brink of death...


so maybe that was already one of the steps...who knows...
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Just because he took steps doesn't mean he succeeded. I think he did all he could to resist death, but it wasn't enough.
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I always thought it was an ongoing task of his... one which he did not complete before his encounter with Harry, but one he had made progress with none the less.
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Oh, I think he was certainly quite death-resistant, but he hadn't yet found out how to become totally immortal.
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CovenantJr wrote:Oh, I think he was certainly quite death-resistant, but he hadn't yet found out how to become totally immortal.
Exactly, it was sufficient, but not yet perfect.
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The Leper Fairy wrote:Wow... so Harry's not gonna die? Hmmm... I kinda wish she didn't say that... There's no suspense now. Well, less suspense.
She might be lying to make it more of a suprise... As I have done with Roger recently. :P
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You're still so proud of that, aren't you? :lol:
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CovenantJr wrote:You're still so proud of that, aren't you? :lol:
:LOLS: Hell Yeah!!! I *LOVED* Your reaction! :D
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Oooh... Do explain!
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Darth told me he had a spare dvd of Spiderman 2, and asked if I'd like it. I answered yes, then the next day he said another friend wanted it, so he wasn't giving it to me anymore. Imagine my surprise when it showed up in the post. The lying git just wanted to surprise me :lol: :roll:
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LOL, good ol' Darth :P

~-Hierachy-~ That'll explain the time I was chatting to him and he told me not to tell you he was posting the spiderman 2 DVD in a bit...
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CovenantJr wrote:Darth told me he had a spare dvd of Spiderman 2, and asked if I'd like it. I answered yes, then the next day he said another friend wanted it, so he wasn't giving it to me anymore. I magine my surprise when it showed up in the post. The lying git just wanted to surprise me :lol: :roll:
:D :D :D

heh, it was quite funny. :P
Hierachy wrote:LOL, good ol' Darth :P
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CovenantJr wrote:Just because he took steps doesn't mean he succeeded. I think he did all he could to resist death, but it wasn't enough.
i mentioned that in the last paragraph..or second to last....the one bout the unicorns blood...


wasnt sure if you were disputing what i was saying...

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Yeah, I think Harry ot one of the tripod will die. :P Rowling is messing with us. :P
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