Speculation on the ak-Haru Kenaustin Ardenol

[Fist and Faith]

A couple of things about ak-Haru Kenaustin Ardenol just occurred to me. Maybe someone has thoughts about them.

1) Kenaustin Ardenol is very unlike any other Haruchai name that we've ever seen. Two names, and both with three syllables.

2) How is it that "the path which leads to ak-Haru Kenaustin Ardenol is unknown, has never been known. It is said that this path must not be known-"? Does anyone doubt that the entire Haruchai race now knows that he's on the Isle of the One Tree? Cail clearly shared the knowledge. The Haruchai remember every detail of every story, accurately and completely, generation after generation, for thousands of years. I imagine their telepathy is much more efficient in this way than any spoken language. So will they now forget? Or is it that those who found and fought him in the past were always travelling without any other Haruchai? They don't seem to do this often, but I guess it's possible.

3) He says, "I am who I am. Ak-Haru Kenaustin Ardenol. The Guardian of the One Tree. Brinn of the Haruchai. And many other names. Thus am I renewed from age to age, until the end." He's obviously not listing names of other Haruchai who had become a part of the chain in the past. I'd say he's listing roles that Covenant is familiar with. He is the Brinn that Covenant knew. He is the figure from Haruchai legend that Brinn told Covenant about. He is the Guardian that needed to be passed. The thought that intrigues me is, what are these "many other names"? I'd love to know what other roles this character has had over the millennia!! He's been on the Isle since Berek set him there, which has got to be close to 6,000 years ago! I wonder if he had any other huge roles before then.

[I'm Murrin]

Well, it always seemed to me like 'ak-Haru' was a Haruchai title - possibly the highest title a Haruchai can be given.
I had originally assumed that Berek had encountered the Haruchai on his search for the Tree, and one went with him the the Island - and swore to protect the tree when he left. He was probably named ak-Haru later on by the Haruchai back in the Westrons.

[dukkha]

These are some fascinating comments.

I'd like to know why Berek saw fit to leave ak-Haru there. Did he anticipate the destruction of the Staff of Law, as well as the need to find a different kind of staff? Did he suspect that either the Worm or the Tree couldn't handle another branch being removed? How's he know so much, like 7000 or so years in the past? Smart dude.

[I'm Murrin]

Well he was called Seer and Prophet - the only person ever to be both (although I believe Mhoram was one then the other) - and that meant he both saw the future and prophesised future events, so he could have had some idea that the tree would need protection.

[fightingmyinstincts]

Just a brief question: What happened to Brinn? Findail assured LA that TOT was unharmed...told her of all the things she might be guilty of, she was not responsible for the destruction of TOT. No one mentions ole Ak-Haru there...and while you're feeling culpable for virtually everything as chrons chars are wont to do, why not add that in?

[[Syl]]

Kenaustin Ardenol sounds like a "warrior name" if I ever heard one. Just as there's always a "of the Haruchai," spoken or unspoken, at the end of every bloodguard's name to flesh it out into a warrior name. Since there's more to him, he can't be simply "of the Haruchai." Besides, ak-Haru Ken would just look weird. Might as well call him... Tim?

Think of the names we have for God, or demigods, or mythical heroes. You can't exactly hold somebody named "Leroy Jones" up as the pinnacle of your being. Even names of the Archangels like Michael or Gabriel that are used today (not sure if they were used then, but I'm guessing not) have the word God in them.

I'm reminded of the Max Power episode of the Simpsons.

[Dlan_Mhoram]

Well, i wish i can explain myself:

I think Ak haru Kenaustin Ardenol exists before Berek took to the One Tree, he was the most formidable of all haruchais a living legend who probably traveled arround all world in the wish to reach more perfection, one day he found Berek and he aid him, when he found the One Tree he set a Vow to protect it. Remember, when Haruchai found some great (like the Land´s Lawsmasters) they want to protect it. How the first Guardian was Ak Haru Kenaustin Ardenol, all the consecutive Guardians have the name.

About Haruchai themselves, i don´t think they are creation or beings of Earthpower, i think Earthpower is the manifestation of Live´s power, haruchai are very pasionated and vital, and in this context this means they knows the Earthpower real´s name.

I don´t really think Earthpower to get a special moral interest in the facts of the Haruchai, rememeber Elohim, they were amoral, i think Earthpower not to reward them with they special habilities because they were`protecting anything, i think the own nature of the haruchai is the cause they have such a conection with Earthpower, Earthpower, for me, is amoral like all the powers.

In all the rest, i agree with you

[[Syl]]

I think Earthpower and thusly the Elohim are beyond concepts of morality. I mean, I wouldn't call the sun immoral.

[Fist and Faith]

Hey Dlan_Mhoram,
Welcome to the Watch. Very good post. Oddly enough, I had never considered the possibility that other Haruchai had been to the One Tree since Berek set the Guardian there, and fought him. I just always figured he'd been there completely alone for millennia. But I guess there's no reason to think that.

The rest of what you said about the Haruchai in general and Earthpower is good too. Whether the Earthpower chooses to interact with the Haruchai the way it does, or it's just the Earthpower's nature, I agree that it is because of the nature of the Haruchai.

I think Earthpower and thusly the Elohim are beyond concepts of morality. I mean, I wouldn't call the sun immoral.

I think that anything capable of making a choice is within the realm of morality. The sun doesn't choose to do anything. I wonder if the Elohim do, or if their nature forces them to behave as they do.

[Dlan_Mhoram]

Thanks Fist and Faith, it was a good day for me when I found this forum

I think Earthpower and thusly the Elohim are beyond concepts of morality. I mean, I wouldn't call the sun immoral.

I think that anything capable of making a choice is within the realm of morality. The sun doesn't choose to do anything. I wonder if the Elohim do, or if their nature forces them to behave as they do.

I agree, only the capability of choose make anything able to be judge acording morality, the Earthpower is not sapient, it´s a thing, like radiation or light and so it is beyond morality. But haruchai can choose, they can be judge acording Land´s morality. Altouhg morality in my opinion is very relative.

This is the reason i don´t think Haruchai can be beings of the Earthpower, remeber that elhoim follow her würd and are what they are, Earthpower incarnate, in my opinion this is the same thatif they are not truly free to choose and so beyond morality.

[[Syl]]

Ok, a better comparison would've been to ask if you can consider God a moral being. On one hand you have to follow the catechisms and say, well, yeah, God is entirely good and loving, no being is higher, etc. But on the other you have an entity who has destroyed cities, peoples, men's lives to prove a point, and His own son's life to achieve an end. These actions in a person (or at least in such a scale as a normal person could achieve) would be considered arrogant, calculating, ruthless, and mercurial.

The Elohim, like God (will bump a relevant thread), exist in a breadth and scope to which judgements of moral and immoral cannot imply. It would be along the lines of saying God is a Republican. You can't choose sides when your being is so massive it dwarfs the fields on either side of the fence.

[Dlan_Mhoram]

The Elohim, like God (will bump a relevant thread), exist in a breadth and scope to which judgements of moral and immoral cannot imply. It would be along the lines of saying God is a Republican. You can't choose sides when your being is so massive it dwarfs the fields on either side of the fence.

A little specification:

Morality´s judges are based on a "superior" authority like laws, religions and in last stage God. We can´t speak about morality without a "superior" reference to make this morality a "correct" one.

What can be this "superior" being in the Elohim case?, not earthpower so... we can´t apply any moral concep to them al least without the Creator´s aid.

[Fist and Faith]

And I just bumped the Pitch's idea : What is evil?? thread for Dlan. Morality discussion!!:)

[Juan Valdez]

You all bring up good points. This is an interesting topic, one I've not heard taken up before. I applaud your originality Fist & Faith. Well done Sir!
However one thing struck a weird chord with me, in the first post on this page you said, [maybe the Earthpower recognized his perfection, and also the Vow's perfection]. I have to disagree with the Vow angle, simply because it was the Vow's imperfection that resulted in the end of the bloodguard. That sucked. On the whole good work!

[Fist and Faith]

Señor Valdez (thañks Vaiñ ),
True what you said about the Vow's imperfection. What I had in mind, but didn't explain at all well, was that the intent of the Haruchai was perfect, and pure. They didn't Vow to guard the Lords a few days a week, or only up to a certain level of difficulty (Something like, "If I lose a hand in battle, I'm dropping out.") It was an absolute Vow.

And my thanks for your kind words.

[Vain]

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[Fist and Faith]

Gee. Thanks for clearing that up.
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[Vain]

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[Fist and Faith]

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[Juan Valdez]

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