Kevin's Watch

Something I'd almost forgotten until today: Linden does not recognise the Close, however the Close is where she met Gibbon-raver in tWL

Murrin wrote:Something I'd almost forgotten until today: Linden does not recognise the Close, however the Close is where she met Gibbon-raver in tWL

In TWL when Linden met Gibbon in the Close, she had no idea where she was.
She was controlled by Santonin-na-Mhoram's rukh.

After arriving in Revelstone in TWL

After days of emptiness,Linden would have been glad for
any purpose which could have restored her to herself. Any purpose
at all...Nothing was certain except that she needed Santonin's
instructions in order to put food in her mouth.

On her way to the close:

Linden moved like a hollow vessel, unable to hold any impression of the ancient gutrock.

I didn't have a problem with the story line whatsoever. I agree that he shouldn't change it (pending major indescrepencies). I WAS confused in one part though. In Chapter 11 - Masters of the Land - SD writes Anele translating what the stone says:

"And it speaks well of Thomas Covenant, of the white gold wielder, whose daughter rent the law of death, and whose son is abroad in the Land, seeking such havoc that the bones of the mountains tremble to contemplate it...."

Who is Thomas Covenant's son? Or am I reading this wrong?

On another note; It didn't suprise me that Covenant shows up in the end of the book. Didn't someone tell Linden to be wary of him. I'm not talking about the warning to beware the Halfhand, but someone told her to be wary of past loves, or something like that. I can't remember. Something not right is happening there and we'll find out in the next books. I loved it and can't wait for the next ones!

Be true, and good to be back!

Roger Covenant is his son, by Joan. Remember.

Sum sui generis
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DUH...Thanks for putting me straight, Variol

I'm not talking about the warning to beware the Halfhand, but someone told her to be wary of past loves, or something like that.

I think the Mahdoubt said something like that to Linden.

Here's something that I noticed the other night: When Stave is talking to Linden in Mithil Stonedown, he tells her that when the Haruchai first came to the Land, they came in order to test themselves against others to prove themselves. However, in Gilden-Fire it clearly says that the Haruchai came looking to conquer and to obtain food and other things that were in short supply in the Westron Mountains.

However, if SRD does not consider Gilden-Fire to be a part of the canon, then this is a moot point.

Ur-Chico wrote:
"And it speaks well of Thomas Covenant, of the white gold wielder, whose daughter rent the law of death, and whose son is abroad in the Land, seeking such havoc that the bones of the mountains tremble to contemplate it...."

As I remember, one facet of rock is that it takes centuries for the "rock" to know what's going on. It is surprising that any rock knows about Roger given this.

I did apparently find an inconsistency. I don't have Runes on hand right now, but there is a part in which Linden (I believe) recalls how the Banefire was put out, and in it, it is stated that Covenant extinguished it with wild magic. In WGW, the Banefire wasn't extinguished with wild magic; it was extinguished thanks to Nom creating a way for the waters of Glimmermere to extinguish the fire.

Well, I've only read it once so far. Getting ready to do another read here after Christmas, (hopefully things will settle down for me a bit then) and I'll loooooooooook for flaaaaws...Mwa ha ha ha

****Spoiler Alert****

There were a few things that stand out from the novel that explain the scary part of the appearance of both Jeremiah and "Covenant." Jeramiah is supposedly in the hands of Foul, and he makes no bones about how he relishes the predicament this puts Linden in. Also, Covenant said "FIND me," not "I'm coming, Linden." He also stated to her through Anele that she needs to remember that he is dead. He needs help to attain physical form, that seems clear. Also, the Mahdoubt clearly states: "beware your love" (or something to that effect). Not beware your lover. I think that she is trying to warn Linden not to see through the eyes of her love, but rather through the eyes of her intellect. I truly do not believe that that is really Covenant approaching Revelstone, rather it's a raver or some such in the guise of Covenant. Also interesting to note that Jeremiah is talking at the end... One of those things that make you go "hmmmmmmmm......"

Overall I am impressed with the novel. I think the growth I see in all of the characters, even the Sheriff, is impressive.... Now someone tell me that the next three novels are coming out in two month intervals...

Noticed this and it struck me funny. When Linden and crew go back to get the Staff and she asks Stave what has happened there that he knew about he replies "In the time of Berek Heartthew, before he became the first of the Old Lords, much of his vast war against Corruption and the servants of evil was waged in the South Plains"

But Berek didn't know about Foul (corruption). Foul wasn't reveled until Kevins time.

I don't think corruption mean Foul only. It's too broad of a term, basically ther Haruchai de-personify Foul/evil the way that Donaldson personified evil into Foul. WE do know that the ravers were around at that time, and Berek may have been fighting an evil he didn't know existed.

Xar wrote:I did apparently find an inconsistency. I don't have Runes on hand right now, but there is a part in which Linden (I believe) recalls how the Banefire was put out, and in it, it is stated that Covenant extinguished it with wild magic. In WGW, the Banefire wasn't extinguished with wild magic; it was extinguished thanks to Nom creating a way for the waters of Glimmermere to extinguish the fire.

Xar's right, this is in the WHGB.

From Lord Foul's Bane:

"Battle was joined across the Land, and for a time it seemed that the Queen would prevail. Her heroes were mighty of hand, and none were mightier than Berek, who was said to be a match for any King. But as the battle raged, a shadow, a gray cloud from the east, fell over the hosts. The Queen's defenders were stricken at heart, and their strength left them. But her enemies found a power of madness in the shadow. They forgot their humanity - they chopped and trampled and clawed and bit and maimed and defiled until their gray onslaught whelmed the heroes, and Berek's comrades broke one by one into despair and death. So the battle went until Berek was the last hater of the shadow left alive.

I have always thought that the gray shadow was Lord Foul in his Gray Slayer form?

Yes I always thought that was Foul too! But the story tells of how he got onto the council. So it was like they didn't know who he was until after he decieved Kevin. I know the Corruption is the Bloodguards name for Foul.
So maybe Stave was just putting two and two together like we have.

I don't know if this is now too late to matter.

And I think I object to the idea of changing the book for the pback edition. Why did I pay *more* money for a *less* definitive version of the book?

But here's one thing.

When Linden is falling from the Watch, she mentions a story she heard about how stars became trapped in the sky. Except she never heard that story, and in fact that story was never told (in that way) before - it's brand new.

I know it was mentioned in Runes that Linden couldn't use both but she did use them in conjunction when healing the Sunbane.

Here's another one.

In WHGB, it states that the Elohim silenced Covenant in order to prevent Vain's purpose.

I'm not saying that this fact is not correct. But I am saying that, until SRD stated it in WHGB, it was never before stated. This may or may not be a slip-up that this is revealed for the first time here.

Hey Xar
You are totally right about Nom and Glimmermere. I couldn't understand why Runes said that
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Jerico wrote:Noticed this and it struck me funny. When Linden and crew go back to get the Staff and she asks Stave what has happened there that he knew about he replies "In the time of Berek Heartthew, before he became the first of the Old Lords, much of his vast war against Corruption and the servants of evil was waged in the South Plains"

But Berek didn't know about Foul (corruption). Foul wasn't reveled until Kevins time.

The name "Lord Foul" comes from his time on the Council. Presumably, the Lords knew of (and had been fighting) the same being for generations (likely known prior to Fouls time on the Council as the Grey Slayer), but they (obviously) had no idea Foul and the Slayer were one and the same entity. I dont see a contradiction in this. One would like to know exactly how Foul wormed his way into the Council when he had no family/village background, lacked the years of study at the Loresratt needed to be a Lord, and had no prior job references to help him with his resume (so to speak), but I guess when you are as powerful as he is, the usual rules dont apply. Someone on the Council really should have asked him why on earth his parents named him "Foul" though. That seems to be a bit of a tip off that something is amiss right there.