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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 10:56 pm
by Gadget nee Jemcheeta
Y'hear that, Cail? You're a hoot! hehehe..oh yeah, ditto, you're the most reasonable conservative I have ever come across, bar none :)

Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:14 pm
by Cail
Hmmmm...guess I gotta get more radical... 8O Maybe I should get some pointers from Zeph.

I appreciate it folks, it's been a long, hard journey. If it wasn't for humor, I'd have had a gun in my mouth years ago.

I have a very hard time reconciling my feelings about the way I think things should be with my faith and my beliefs. I consider myself to be very lucky that I belong to a church (and Catholic at that) that accepts both visions.

Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 12:04 am
by Lorelei
Heaven is oneness with God. Hell is seperation from God. How either of these manifests is all in the perception of each soul. I'm sure that many people can find points to argue with me but this is the only concept that my simple mind can understand.

Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 12:16 am
by Cail
And that's the point I was (ineptly) trying to make. I don't buy into the whole "streets paved with gold" thing. I believe in God, and I love God, but I hope that when I go to Heaven, I am with people that I care about (and my dog). It just seems that it would be boring floating on a cloud in a toga strumming on a harp.

Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 12:48 am
by ChoChiyo
Now if the streets were paved with chocolate...that would be SOMETHING!

Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 12:49 am
by Cail
....and the beer flowed like wine....

Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 1:34 am
by ChoChiyo
And it rained potato chips and there was a river of sour cream....

Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 5:32 am
by dennisrwood
Cail : free beer? i'm there. and only here am i not the most conservative! I bow to you.

we all could make this a paradise. there is a ton of resources being kept out of people's hands. but we must have a ruling system to tell us how bad the enemy is. because without poor people, there would be no rich people.

Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 5:34 am
by Cail
Dennis....True, but without hitting the bottom, we truly never know what the top is, yes?

Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 5:41 am
by dennisrwood
but if someone keeps pushing us to the bottom and we never rise, why that would be like capitalism!

Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 5:44 am
by Cail
There's a lot more to life than monetary success Dennis. Having been dirt poor, I can honestly sayI don't ever want to be there again, BUT, I place a tremendous amount of value on happiness.

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 5:36 pm
by [Syl]
Topic split. Moved to the Tank under "The World: better or worse..."

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 6:32 pm
by Cail
Thanks Syl.

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:12 pm
by Dromond
onewyteduck wrote:
Fist and Faith wrote:Duck, that's something like an episode of The Twilight Zone. The old guy and his dog died while hunting. When they got to the pearly gates, he was told that dogs weren't allowed in. He said, "If my dog ain't good enough for Heaven, then neither am I," and they continued on down the road. Eventually, they came to the real Heaven, which didn't look as fancy-schmancy. But dogs are allowed.
That was a Twilight Zone episode? 8O I can't believe I missed it! Will definitely have to check it out. Thanks, Fist and Faith.
The episode is called 'The Hunt' from the third season.

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:16 pm
by Iryssa
Cho, here's the verse you were talking about earlier;

"For now we see as in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully, just as I also have been fully known." ~ 1 Cor. 13:12, NASB

That's my favourite translation of it...

A bit off-topic, but this conversation makes me think of a hell-demension they mention on Angel and Buffy (must've been an inside joke; it happened two or three times) that has nothing but shrimp in it *grin*