Kevin's Watch

The Dead like Andelain. I recall something about that they find peace there.

But I don't believe that they're confined to it. The Dead were also found in Coercri, too.

jacob Raver, sinTempter wrote:I just found a similar thread from '03...sorry, peeps. But still, the answers there were never quite complete.

Bump the thread, and I'll merge it.

Bump 4 Syl- urge to merge

I dun bumped eet.

Syl wrote:i'll have to hunt down the appropriate quote, but i believe it was very specific that the dead were always refered to as "their dead." A personal involvement was required. ah, here...

Hollian eh-Brand. Sunder's Dead, come to greet him.

The sight of her made him breathe in fierce, shuddering
gasps, as if she had set a goad to his heart.

She passed by Covenant, Linden, and the Giants without
acknowledging them. Perhaps for her they did not exist.

wayfriend wrote:The Dead like Andelain. I recall something about that they find peace there.

But I don't believe that they're confined to it. The Dead were also found in Coercri, too.

I always felt that these were two different types of "dead" as it were. Not that they were two different types of spirits but rather that there were two different reasons for them being there. The spirts in Coercri were there (doomed to reenact the atrocity of their death) because of what happened to them, i.e. the manner of their death. It seems to me that the dead in Andelain are there specifically because of the presence of someone with whom they had a strong relationship in life. Of course, it could be argued that it was the dead Giants' relationship to the Raver that brought them back there (enabled by the Raver's power as opposed to being enabled by Andelain's power.) So was that a "ghost" Raver in Coercri or a real one (or both)?

Other open questions for me include:

1) Do all departed spirits go to Andelain to reside as part of their "afterlife" existence or do all departed spirits go "somewhere else" [insert preferred afterlife residence concept here] and then return to Andelain when someone they know shows up there?

2) My biggy: How were the Ur-Viles able to give Vain to Foamfollower in Andelain? He doesn't seem to qualify as being one of "their dead". You could argue that he had a connection of sorts with the Jeherrin (sp) but what was his relationship to the Ur-Viles? Did they just drop him off figuring that one of TC's dead would figure it out and pass him along? And if so how did Foamfollower know what Vain's purpose was if the Ur-Viles didn't tell him?

Sorry, too many questions...