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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:03 am
by Avatar
Ur- is a German prefix meaning "prot(o)-", "first", "oldest", "original" when used with a noun. In combination with an adjective, it can be translated as the intensifier "very".
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 6:58 am
by doma
Thinking back to my teenage years when I first read TC, I remember thinking that Ur- must mean either 'kind of' or 'apprentice' or 'honorary'. Like they were saying he was an honorary lord. Lord for a day, etc. An almost silly honor, considering how advanced they were in their art yet TC was just getting his feet wet in the land.
But I like how this thread suggests that the real meaning might have been 'super' lord or 'more capable than' a lord.
I can imagine the Lords themselves knowing the truth to the title (TC we name you a super lord!) but Thomas being like me and thinking they were giving him an honorary title he didn't deserve.
-doma
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:37 pm
by iQuestor
Doma, I have the distinct pleasure of being the first to welcome you to the watch! welcomed, indeed.
I also like the idea that UR as in Ur-Lord means honorary. I agree the BG probably felt he didnt deserve it, but Prothall offerred him the position of High Lord, which they could not ignore.
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:18 am
by emotional leper
I'm of the opinion that it means 'Greater than' or 'Higher,' or 'Superior to.'
Ur-Lord Thomas Covenant is greater (in power) than the Lords.
The Ur-Viles and better than the Viles.