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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:19 pm
by Edelaith
I would like to make an analogy: Imagine that Stephen Donaldson's world is like an endless series of caves (like Melenkurion Skyweir ... :) )
Covenant's act against Lena was like the mightiest of explosions at the entrance to these caves. The reverberations (consequences) have echoed, endlessly, through thousands of caves, through hundreds of miles of caves, the echoes passing into every last nook and cranny.
And the echoes have continued, for thousands of years into the future of the Land and it's world. There is no getting past them. The consequences, the aftermath, affects everything that is happening, sets a backdrop against which the characters must act.

That is why the hate versus forgiveness versus letting it go question is so relevant. The issue will not go away. Covenant and Linden have to continuously deal with it, or at least with it's aftereffects.

I don't think Stephen Donaldson is asking us, the readers, to forgive at all. I don't think he is asking us to take any particular stance.
What Stephen Donaldson is doing, is employing the consequences of that one terrible act as a major driving force in his epic story.
The reader is never allowed to forget that act. Ever. Period. Each new sunrise under the Sunbane is a reminder. Each day that Covenant steps closer to his doom in the Second Chronicles, is a reminder. Each time we think of the Staff of Law, is a reminder. Covenant's own thinking is modified and shaped heavily by that act. Linden is affected by Covenant. And on and on.

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:21 pm
by safetyjedi
very well said

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:22 pm
by duchess of malfi
Actually, I got the distinct impression when we had dinner with Mr. Donaldson, that he intended the rape of Lena to be unforgiveable -- that he wanted to show that Covenant was every bit as able to commit evil acts of destruction as he was able to commit good acts of salvation.

save or damn

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:38 pm
by safetyjedi
Which is why we love these books so.. This also illustrates that this act, resulted in torn people throughout the story. Atiaran torn between her love for the land and her love for her family, Trell, Lena, Elena and many others. It even tore TC apart as well. His shame that he felt, on top of the shame he felt for just being a leper, drove him in many different directions and shaped his actions throughout.

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:26 am
by Avatar
duchess of malfi wrote:Covenant was every bit as able to commit evil acts of destruction as he was able to commit good acts of salvation.
Just like the rest of us. Good post Duchess.
WarMark wrote:Haha, hes at it again!
Damn right. And I'm unlikely to stop. You never know. If only one person out of every ten joins us in the Tank and Close regularly, it's still better for us all. The more opinions and perspectives we have, the better. :)

--A

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 10:11 pm
by Billy G.
I almost quit reading LFB after the incident happened. I thought, what a dirtbag! Why should I read this?

Which would have been a shame, since I've read both series now at least 5 times thru. The whole plot is about sinful actions being overcome by forgiveness and redemption.