Does anyone wish the Second Chronicles ended differently?
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The Law of Death was broken before the Staff of Law was destroyed. The Law of Death was broken by Elena in "The Illearth War" when she used The Power of Command to summon Kevin Landwaster. The Staff of Law continued to exist for some years (weilded by Elena's ghost) until it was destroyed by the Colossus Of The Fall in "The Power That Preserves." This kind of makes me think that the Staff of Law doesn't hold sway over the Law of Death.Navarino wrote:A thought has just occurred to me. The Law of Death was broken in the Land at the end of the second chrons, but wouldn't the new Staff of Law restore all of the Laws that had been broken?
At the end of the second chronicles, when the new staff is created, there's a line about the runes from the heels of the old staff creating the new staff. I'm guessing that this new staff would be a copy of the old staff; possibly not as powerful, but probably not more powerful then the old one.
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How could it have ended any other way? Alive, Thomas was always a threat to the Land, one step away from Despite. Defeated, his power would be Lord Foul's to command. And he'd been victorious before, and seen what that victory had cost both him and the Land.
No, he had to die. It was the only way to gain a 'final' victory over 'Foul'
But how final IS death, in a land where the Law of Death has been broken...
No, he had to die. It was the only way to gain a 'final' victory over 'Foul'
But how final IS death, in a land where the Law of Death has been broken...
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i dunno gsg2, i think that the new SoL is just as powerful as the old 1, if not more so. in WGW its 'birth' is desrcibed,
"The old Staff had been rune-carved to define its purpose. But this Staff was alive, almost sentient: it did not need runes."
2 me this suggests that the new SoL is much more powerful than the old 1, which was never as being alive, let alone sentient. this prolly has somethin 2 do with the fact that the new SoL was born out of some sort of power fusion using the wild magic i guess.
anwho, i totally luved the ending of WGW, especially when LA realized that not violating TC was more important than saving the land, a choice that enabled him 2 do just that. sure it was kinda sad, but it was also kinda not. TC was were he wanted 2 b, both he and LA had faced and beaten many of their demons, and the land was saved. compare this 2 the end of TIW, where elena, hyrim, verement, shetra and the giants were dead, troy was a tree, and the warward had won, but at such a cost that they almost lost.
everyone is rite that an 'and they all lived happily ever after until the end of their days' ending would have been a load of crap. i dont no if that was wot TC would have wanted anyway. while i will admit that at times there is a certain satisfaction in the whole tolkien thing where all the loose ends are tied so tightly that the thing could float across the pacific, but i thought the ending of WGW was gutsy and edgy, and made the whole TC series the best in the genre, and i respect SD for not taking the easy path of marrying up all the leftover characters and having everyone grow old 2gether.
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"The old Staff had been rune-carved to define its purpose. But this Staff was alive, almost sentient: it did not need runes."
2 me this suggests that the new SoL is much more powerful than the old 1, which was never as being alive, let alone sentient. this prolly has somethin 2 do with the fact that the new SoL was born out of some sort of power fusion using the wild magic i guess.
anwho, i totally luved the ending of WGW, especially when LA realized that not violating TC was more important than saving the land, a choice that enabled him 2 do just that. sure it was kinda sad, but it was also kinda not. TC was were he wanted 2 b, both he and LA had faced and beaten many of their demons, and the land was saved. compare this 2 the end of TIW, where elena, hyrim, verement, shetra and the giants were dead, troy was a tree, and the warward had won, but at such a cost that they almost lost.
everyone is rite that an 'and they all lived happily ever after until the end of their days' ending would have been a load of crap. i dont no if that was wot TC would have wanted anyway. while i will admit that at times there is a certain satisfaction in the whole tolkien thing where all the loose ends are tied so tightly that the thing could float across the pacific, but i thought the ending of WGW was gutsy and edgy, and made the whole TC series the best in the genre, and i respect SD for not taking the easy path of marrying up all the leftover characters and having everyone grow old 2gether.
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The new Staff of Law's primary purpose is to resist Foul in his subverting the Earthpower again as he had through the Sunbane. It was through the first Staff's loss that the Sunbane could occur.
The laws that were broken remain broken. If the new Staff reisists the crossing from death to life remains to be seen, I guess we'll see it in the Third Chronicles.
The laws that were broken remain broken. If the new Staff reisists the crossing from death to life remains to be seen, I guess we'll see it in the Third Chronicles.
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Hello again. Sorry to have been away soo long. Rest assured, though, I have been lurking 
This may well have been covered (sorry, I couldn't bring myself to read every post ), but altering the ending would have removed from the characters' lives their very meaning.
A repeated motif is that, no matter the individual outcome, you must be true to law, yourself and to each other. Had TC not sacrificed himself in such a way, the foundation of his character would have been for nought, and the structure of the narrative would have collapsed.
Covenant's 'completion' as an individual was enacted by his sacrifice: it restored order by a (by necessity) selfish individual giving away all - of his own free will - to make something whole and beautiful again. If only we were so fortunate that we could give our lives such meaning in such an act
Anyway, good to be back, peeps. Hello all!
This may well have been covered (sorry, I couldn't bring myself to read every post
), but altering the ending would have removed from the characters' lives their very meaning. A repeated motif is that, no matter the individual outcome, you must be true to law, yourself and to each other. Had TC not sacrificed himself in such a way, the foundation of his character would have been for nought, and the structure of the narrative would have collapsed.
Covenant's 'completion' as an individual was enacted by his sacrifice: it restored order by a (by necessity) selfish individual giving away all - of his own free will - to make something whole and beautiful again. If only we were so fortunate that we could give our lives such meaning in such an act
Anyway, good to be back, peeps. Hello all!
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Welcome back, Treble. Great av and great point.
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