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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:16 am
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Interesting view...
--A
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:06 pm
by wayfriend
I view a ceasure as a four-dimensional blight upon the fabric of the Earth. Obviously, Donaldson's metaphoric intention is to consider them the result of white magical blows to the Earth. So sure, they arise from the fabric of the land -- in the way that a bruise arises from flesh, or a fracture arises from distressed glass.
They are like a storm in ways that are of secondary importance. They move through space (and time). And where they touch, damage happens.
The damage is easy to explain - Kevin's Watch fell because it was in a ceasure, and the material reality upon which it dependend for existance no longer sustained it. Sort of like, if the physics which was needed to create atomic forces was suddenly changed in an area, atoms would disintegrate, matter would be reduced to tiny charged particles. Ceasures are not quite that bad. But over time it weakened the Watch until it fell.
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:36 pm
by Buckarama
Nice post. and I thought that it was a forgone conclusion that TC wife was making the Ceasures. Now I could be wrong, but I always thought that the Ceasures would move both forward and backward in time and space from her entrance into the land. Like a ripple on a pond.
Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 4:13 pm
by caamora
I am doing a re-read in preparation for the dissection and I am finding that Linden is extremely irritating. More so than usual. I was never a part of the THOOLA (sp?) group but reading the last chrons, I really hate her!
I wish she would stop trying to be a hero. She seems intent on throwing her weight around and threatening everyone with her health-sense. She acts as if she knew what the Land was like before the Sunbane. I do not understand why she seems intent on teaching the people of the Land their heritage. She should just stick to finding Jeremiah.
It seems that she has forgotten that her health sense is a passive power, not an aggressive one. AND the white gold is not hers! She is just the caretaker of it for the time being until it gets into the proper hands. I would prefer that Foul had the white gold rather than Linden.
She is just really irritating.
Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 9:46 am
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But don't you think that the people of the Land deserve to know their heritage?
Good points about the type of power though. The only thing that really bothered me about her though was the way that she seems determined to rescue her son, no matter what. It's the "no matter what" bit that bothers me.
What will she do in the belief that it will save him? What damage will she wreak?
--A
Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 2:02 pm
by caamora
Of course the people of the Land
deserve to know their heritage. Problem is, she knows nothing of the Land before the Sunbane. She could impart that knowledge but she acts as if she fell in love with it like Covenant did. Like we did. But she didn't. I don't feel she owns the Land like Covenant did.
I just hate how Linden thinks that she is the one to save everybody. There is a conceit about her in this book that I don't like. The Land has enough heros in its own people without Linden trying to be one too. She is trying too hard to be a hero.
Hile Troy is the only other person from our world who tried to be a hero. But what he did was for love of the Land and appreciation for the gift of sight. Unfortunately, he failed. LInden, on the other hand, just seems to be upset that no one knows about her. She is taking too active a role in the Land by threatening everyone with her health sense.
In my opinion, there is also something wrong with her feelings for Jeremiah. They seem somehow disingenuine. I can't quite put my finger on it. She isn't worrying enough like a mother would. Maybe that is just SRD's way of writing (because he is a father, not a mother) but I got the same impression the first time I read the book. Linden is somehow disconnected from Jeremiah. Maybe it is because there is no interraction between them that they are disconnected.
Maybe I should save this for the dissection.
(Listen to me. I'm talking about her as if she is real......

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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 2:08 pm
by Buckarama
Linden is doing two things, seems to me anyway. One she is honering the love her and Covanant felt and trying to save the land that he so loved. Two she is a mother and she is trying to save her child. Believe me, that causes no end to troubles.
Her only source of power is that she is the chosen. She can't be powerless in what she feels is a set of events that lead her to child being kidnapped. I think it's a very human reaction.
Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 8:42 am
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Excellent post Caam, I look forward to your dissection.
I do partly agree with you, although Linden did get a very personal feel of what the old Land had been like through her creation of the new staff, and of course, Covenant himself spoke of it a lot. If nothing else, she knows better than the current inhabitants what it once was.
That said, I didn't really think she wasn't reacting "motherly" enough, but then I'm not any type of parent.
I think she is going to cause serious harm believing that she is saving Jeremiah.
Good point Buckarama too, about it being unlikely that she will sit quietly by and be "powerless" considering what she believes is at stake.
That's part of it too though: She thinks that Jeremiah is at stake. Actually, it's far more than that.
--A