Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:12 am
He was far more progressive in the interfaith dialogue than Benedict XVI. But no, he didn't go nearly far enough.
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*snort*Cail wrote:No links, just a conversation or two with my Priest. Now it may well be that he meant that.....how can I put this delicately......that Jews aren't damned or condemned because they don't accept Christ as their Savior, due to their Covenant, and that due to Catholic beliefs (regardless of Jewish beliefs for the sake of discussion), they (Jews) would not be denied entry into Heaven (as a matter of Catholic dogma).
The site that hosts the Olam Ha-Ba link I posted is the one I turn to the most for information I am unsure about, or to post things for others. I highly recommend it, although it pretty much does come from an Orthodox viewpoint.Cail wrote:I really need to learn more about Judaism, especially since both my brother and cousin have converted.
As I recently posted, that's the idea behind Unitarian Universalism. Here's a very short page from their site:Lord Mhoram wrote:If anyone is aware of a religion that says that all faiths are capable of leading to salvation, and that conversion is therefore completely unnecessary, I would be very interested in seeing that.
aliantha wrote:And lately I have begun to acknowledge that all religious traditions are paths to the same place. There is no *one* that gets you there.
The heritage, the philosophies, the message that came from God through Nature to the Indian people, these are the same as what Jesus Christ means to Christians. God came through Jesus Christ and his disciples to the people just as He came through His agents in Nature to the Indian people. The latter is called paganism... Yet there is no difference. It is the same God. - Allan Wolf Leg
For twelve years, under the guidance of various gurus, he submitted himself to spiritual practices of assorted religious systems, including Christianity and Islam. Each direction led him to illumination, so that he could declare on the basis of personal experience that the followers of all religions alike could realize the ultimate reality if their surrender to God was sufficiently intense. -- Ramakrishna's entry in <U>The Encyclopedia of Eastern Philosophy and Religion</U>
Cool, I'll dive into it when I get a lull at work.Menolly wrote:The site that hosts the Olam Ha-Ba link I posted is the one I turn to the most for information I am unsure about, or to post things for others. I highly recommend it, although it pretty much does come from an Orthodox viewpoint.
Oh...I disagree. Beorn's middle school was administered by, and the faculty was entirely comprised of, Kr-shnas. Absolutely fabulous people. If it wasn't such a drive, I would go to their Sunday afternoon lectures and feasts.Emotional Leper wrote:This is probably going to spin off to another thread, but Krishnas scare me.
All I know is I spent four years living in a College Town of about 100k, and the Krishnas were a cult. C-U-L-T, CULT.Avatar wrote:Never trust a vegetarian.
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LM, have you heard of the Great Commission?Lord Mhoram wrote:Emotional Leper,
I think it is possible to be a Christian and not pray for the conversion of non-Christians. I think it's possible to be a Christian and be able to see the merits of other faiths. And it's more about political correctness, even though that's a convenient cop-out for debate on issues like this. I think that interfaith dialogue supersedes political correctness.
To learn about each other, with the hope of learning how to live with each other in peace. Perhaps misunderstandings are the cause of some problems, and clearing up those misunderstandings can end the problems. Perhaps simply talking will form friendships - and it might be that many people are less likely to harm a friend than a stranger.Cybrweez wrote:Interfaith dialogue? To what purpose?
I am not doing anything of the sort. I am merely giving what I feel is a very good answer to your question of what purpose there is to interfaith dialogue.Cybrweez wrote:can't peg religious people as the only ones struggling to understand others.
I actually was reffering to Gainesville. Many are the days I would see the Krishnas on the Corner of 13th and Uni, singing, and dances. And way too many times would a Krishna try to talk to me about their religion, or worse still, try to convert me, to which my universal response was something along the lines of, "Sorry, I'm a Zen Buddhist, and once you've spent enough time up to your nostrils in bullshit, you get to recognise the smell real quick. Unfortunately, Krishna's not even bullshit. It's more like stale urine."Menolly wrote:I currently live in the same situation you describe. College town of around 100K, with student population, I think. Yes, the HKs actively proselytize, their prashad lunches on the Plaza of the Americas draws the students in like nothing else I have seen. But they do not use the brainwashing techniques of other cults. At least not from what I've seen, and I have been to their local temple and in the private homes of practitioners.
There are apparently layers of meaning there that both you and the Krishnas are missing.Avatar wrote:While the Bhagavad Gita and the philosophies it espouses are not for me, (too restrictive), I thinks that's probably a bit harsh a description.
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I fear for myself, then.Syl wrote:I think Av's in trouble.
Emotional Leper wrote:I actually was reffering to Gainesville.Menolly wrote:I currently live in the same situation you describe. College town of around 100K, with student population, I think. Yes, the HKs actively proselytize, their prashad lunches on the Plaza of the Americas draws the students in like nothing else I have seen. But they do not use the brainwashing techniques of other cults. At least not from what I've seen, and I have been to their local temple and in the private homes of practitioners.
There are two groups of HKs here around Gator Town. I readily admit the ones near campus who do the lunches and chant on corner of 13th and University are much more aggresive in their proselytizing, as they are comprised mostly of newer, gung-ho acolytes. But they don't do brainwashing techniques like other cult groups that have been in the news over the years.Emotional Leper wrote:Many are the days I would see the Krishnas on the Corner of 13th and Uni, singing, and dances. And way too many times would a Krishna try to talk to me about their religion, or worse still, try to convert me, to which my universal response was something along the lines of, "Sorry, I'm a Zen Buddhist, and once you've spent enough time up to your nostrils in bullshit, you get to recognise the smell real quick. Unfortunately, Krishna's not even bullshit. It's more like stale urine."