The Mueller Investigation

Post by **Hashi Lebwohl** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:59 pm

The Republicans, presuming they lose the House tomorrow, will probably stop the Investigation so that Democrats would have to start it again in January. That move could then be spun as "see? the Democrats just want to investigate the President--that proves how partisan they are".

Post by **Hashi Lebwohl** » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:39 am

Sessions is out as Attorney General; his chief of staff, Matthew Whitaker, will be Acting Attorney General until a permanent replacement is put in place. This means that Whitaker is Rosenstein's boss and puts him in charge of Mueller, including having the ability to fire Mueller. Needless to say, the Mueller Investigation is almost over...

...just in time for the Democrats in the House to restart it next January.

Post by **Skyweir** » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:49 am

Yes I read that .. anything to interfere with Mueller

Post by **Ur Dead** » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:52 pm

Didn't happen but it still a good idea to declassify Muellers total investigation.

Post by **Zarathustra** » Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:30 pm

Skyweir wrote:Yes I read that .. anything to interfere with Mueller

"Anything?" Trump could stop the investigation and fire everyone involved, if he wanted. Clearly, this isn't "anything." Sessions has basically been sitting on his hands for 2 years. Firing him makes perfect sense. He was the wrong choice. And Rosenstein is clearly an anti-Trump conspirator who should have recused himself as well. I'm shocked that it took Trump this long to fire Sessions.

Post by **Hashi Lebwohl** » Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:58 pm

Zarathustra wrote:Sessions has basically been sitting on his hands for 2 years. Firing him makes perfect sense. He was the wrong choice. And Rosenstein is clearly an anti-Trump conspirator who should have recused himself as well. I'm shocked that it took Trump this long to fire Sessions.

By the time March rolled around, firing Sessions would have fired up the anti-Trump voters and Republicans probably would have lost more seats in the House than they did. At this point, Congress can now also act to end the Mueller Investigation but there won't be any way for them to stop the next House from restarting it.

Trump should now also issue pardons to every person convicted thus far.

Post by **Avatar** » Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:42 am

In other words, wait 'til it won't impact the election.

--A

Post by **Skyweir** » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:54 pm

Post by **Cail** » Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:13 pm

More nothing. Mueller has said that Flynn should get no prison time.

Post by **Hashi Lebwohl** » Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:31 pm

Given that Flynn pleaded guilty (but only to lying to the FBI) and now the Mueller Team is suggesting that he serve no jail time, the logical conclusion is that the Mueller Team could not successfully prosecute a case against Flynn. Rather than fail they are opting not to try and push the case against him at all, which gives the appearance of a win.

For all the mouth-watering anticipation the Democrats have had since May 2016 there simply is no smoking gun against Trump. They will never prove collusion between the campaign and Russian authorities for one simple fact: you cannot prove something that isn't true or doesn't exist.

Post by **Skyweir** » Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:45 am

Or its a part of his plea deal

This makes me think he HAS been of SUBSTANTIAL assistance as has been reported.

In which case he has spilled his guts and Mueller is seeking his just reward.

Its heating up and I for one would love to read through Mueller growing brief stacks.

Post by **SoulBiter** » Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:13 pm

Skyweir wrote:Or its a part of his plea deal

This makes me think he HAS been of SUBSTANTIAL assistance as has been reported. In which case he has spilled his guts and Mueller is seeking his just reward.

Its heating up and I for one would love to read through Mueller growing brief stacks.

I suspect when its all said and done, the stack of briefs will be thousands of dead ends based on misinformation and innuendo, and thousands of dead end's that just have a lack of evidence to prosecute. The ones that actually went somewhere and are prosecuted will not have to do with Russian collusion as much as lying to the FBI and improper/unreported business dealings with a foreign country.

But, time will tell.

Post by **Skyweir** » Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:32 pm

Youre right about that SB, time will tell

Post by **Hashi Lebwohl** » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:52 pm

Those plucky investigators are still at it. CNN is desperate to convince us that "these Manafort revelations are a *very* big deal". Yeah, sure, whatever. That *still* doesn't prove any collusion, which was supposed to be the focus of the investigation.

Can't Mueller just roll out indictments so Trump can start handing out pardons? Do we really have to waste more time and go through the motions?

Post by **Cail** » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:58 pm

Are we still on collusion, or is it obstruction now? Who can keep up?

Post by **Hashi Lebwohl** » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:06 pm

The goalposts always move, as you know.

Anyway, Rosenstein is on his way out; Barr is on his way in and will be the new person overseeing the Mueller Investigation. Although I would say that this would help bring it to a close, House Democrats would likely start up their own independent investigation and keep going from there.

Post by **Skyweir** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:45 am

As they rightly should

Trumps personal selection should not get in the way of the facts, the evidence, the investigation or the truth.

Post by **Hashi Lebwohl** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:51 am

Even if the facts and evidence gathered by the investigation clear Trump of any and all wrongdoing? That would be a "truth" which many Democrats would not want to hear.

The only reason Trump approved the investigation was to get Democrats to quit bitching. They know he has to be guilty of something and, by God, they are going to keep digging until they find it, damn it!

Post by **Skyweir** » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:37 am

Theyre likely not digging any more ... Id say Mueller knows all he needs to know. As you know that Russian lawyer has been put on notice. The pieces are moving to their final positions for a check mate.

The writing is on the wall with this one ... and its not a partisan issue, though some seem insistent it is.

If the facts, evidence exonerates Trump everyone will have no choice but to accept .. even moreso given Muellers thoroughness.

But I find that highly unlikely. I find it highly unlikely that Trump, who Id argue is the quintessential micro manager would not have been aware of every meeting, every misuse of campaign funds .. to be ever a candidate for exoneration. The issue will be how best to manage the facts, to see a just outcome for Trump.

Post by **Zarathustra** » Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:07 am

Skyweir wrote:Theyre likely not digging any more ... Id say Mueller knows all he needs to know. As you know that Russian lawyer has been put on notice. The pieces are moving to their final positions for a check mate.

The writing is on the wall with this one ... and its not a partisan issue, though some seem insistent it is.

If the facts, evidence exonerates Trump everyone will have no choice but to accept .. even moreso given Muellers thoroughness.

But I find that highly unlikely. I find it highly unlikely that Trump, who Id argue is the quintessential micro manager would not have been aware of every meeting, every misuse of campaign funds .. to be ever a candidate for exoneration. The issue will be how best to manage the facts, to see a just outcome for Trump.

Prepare to be disappointed:

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