Kevin's Watch

I send my blessings, Simjen. Power I am afraid I will have to withold this Turn...

Greetings Brothers and Sisters!

I will add my voice to the clamour that is seeking an end to Adomorn's genocide. Who will be next, Adomorn? Ugly people? Red-heads? Dwarrow? Your campaign must stop now!

I share your concern about the mutagens. However, would not a better solution be to give the power that you spend on your crusade, along with power from the other gods who seek safety from mutation, to a combined effort by Melirelle, Goddess of Mutation, and Bhakti, God of Love and Nature, to change the nature of Nor's mutagens, reducing their motility and infusing any change that does occur by them, with love!

Let's have some beneficial, life-enhancing mutation instead of rampant malicious mutation.

However, the genocide must stop first! If you continue, I will be among those gods who will stand against you.

As for Steve . Instead of giving him to Mox, could we not give Mox to him?

I would favour those who favour donating power to Mithyaat. Does one remove dreams or give dreams to prolong slumber? If outvoted however, I will support Simjen.

Undine

To my siblings,

I feel I should exlain my actions. The original plan to deal with Nor and his mutagens was to have a coalition attack Nor and his military and have Maeror deal with the mutagens.

Then Nor left the world, and all plans fell apart. Communication was destroyed. And all plans were left behind.

Nothing was going to be done and, indeed, nothing WAS done about his military left behind, NOTHING was done about the mutagnes and it seemed that no one cared.

I took matters into my own hands. I began to deal with not only his military but the mutagens in the only way I could. I started to destroy them all. You all yell at me for dealing with a deadly threat in the only manner possible, when it actuallity YOU all abandoned the plans. I was the only one left, except Simjen who destoryed the Star, actually doing anything.

I understand that it was advised to wait a turn, but to what avail? In a turn the same problems would persist and we woulnd have to deal with them just the same.

I will stop my genocide of these living mutagens as long as someone else who has the technique to stop them in another way will take over.

:EDIT:

I can see already from a side conversation not in the Game Thread that this post is not going to be taken well.

I have explained my actions. I made my own decisions, and the rest of you do not agree? I don't really care.

How many times has another God made acts that the rest do not approve of? And how often do they need to explain themselves? I gave my reasoning. I feel that waiting for a given time is all well and good, and you may come up with a cure, but what cure is there for the conditioning that Nor's peoples ALL went through to feel Malice and Hate for anything not of them?

How do you cure Hate without puring Love over the continent?

I acted according to plan, and it went badly. I accept consequences of my actions, and now that I see that Merielle is claiming Nor's followers. Continuing my attack will be on her, which I do not desire.

Simply put, I make my own decisions as do we all, and sometimes they do not go as planned. I am fixing the mistake. Deal with it.

Lord Adomorn wrote: I started to destroy them all. ...I will stop my genocide of these living mutagens as long as someone else who has the technique to stop them in another way will take over.

Adomorn ... I AM destruction ... yet I would not indiscriminately kill woman, children, the elderly whether mutated or not.

Melirelle has been convincing ... the fact that some are mutated does not, in an of itself, make them a threat to others if they stay in their lands. As I understand, it is ONLY yours that have spread mutation outside of Nor Yekith.

I ORDER you ... stand down ... and accept the Judgment of Melirelle and the Pantheon! If you need to let loose your bloodthirstiness, then help Simjen in his attack.

Let the Suffering you have caused be absorbed and released! I will ease the Suffering of Melirelle's followers if she asks.

Astavyastataa Kadna wrote: Adomorn ... I AM destruction ... yet I would not indiscriminately kill woman, children, the elderly whether mutated or not.

This is against everything that you stand for, Asta. Chaos does not CHOOSE. Chaos does not decide. It goes, and whatever happens, happens.

Astavyastataa Kadna wrote: I ORDER you ... stand down ... and accept the Judgment of Melirelle and the Pantheon! If you need to let loose your bloodthirstiness, then help Simjen in his attack.

You speak boldy when I have already made it clear that I am moving my military away Asta. No one see's this as anything more than cowardice to NOT order such a thing before. Only AFTER I said I was moving away you make demands. Not very brave of you.

Lord Adomorn wrote:Nothing was going to be done and, indeed, nothing WAS done about his military left behind, NOTHING was done about the mutagnes and it seemed that no one cared.

This is quite clearly false. The plans we made were done in public. Simjen was going to get the Star out of the way, and Maeror and I were going to examine the disease/plague and mutagen situations. And that's exactly what happened. Attempting to justify your attempts to commit genocide by saying nothing was going to be done is preposterous. Your actions were evil. We asked you to stop.

And calling them "living mutagens" is misleading. This is not your area of expertise. Melirelle could certainly give more information, but this is what I know:

Allfather wrote:The Natural life cycles of Nor Pupae have completely changed to something barely recognizable, and it seems that all that exists within, including all the mutagens, the flesh-farms, the womb-pits and so on, can be used both for military purposes and to ensure the survivability of Nor Pupae's creatures, making it difficult to destroy anything without wreaking the remade ecosystem of Nor Pupae.

And at whatever point your people leave Nor Pupae, please ask them to stay away from my lands. The mutagens that that many people will carry out with them will doubtless cause several times more mutations than the total that we have experienced since we arrived on Eiran.

Astavyastataa Kadna wrote:I forsee my cousin and friend falling further ... watch and ware cousins. Honor may join Justice in the deific dustbin ... and EVIL may be claimed based on the actions I have seen!

Do you remember this quote, my fallen friend. I was amongst the first to decry your actions.

Lord Adomorn wrote:To my siblings,
....I will stop my genocide of these living mutagens as long as someone else who has the technique to stop them in another way will take over.

This also does not seem to be an UNCONDITIONAL agreement to withdraw. I say NOW. You are ORDERED to leave - unconditionally.

As to Chaos ... only for small minds is the Chaos randomness without pattern ... you lack the intelligence my pugnacious friend to see the Larger patterns of MY Chaos!!

:EDITED for quote:

Allfather wrote:The Natural life cycles of Nor Pupae have completely changed to something barely recognizable, and it seems that all that exists within, including all the mutagens, the flesh-farms, the womb-pits and so on, can be used both for military purposes and to ensure the survivability of Nor Pupae's creatures, making it difficult to destroy anything without wreaking the remade ecosystem of Nor Pupae.

And why should his mutated lands NOT be destroyed?

It is the same argument I was making when Nor was still here. He made VAST changes to the entire landscape of the world.

CAn YOU stop them from spreading to the rest of Eiran, Bhakti? Now that Merielle is the Goddess of Mutation, WILL she? Let's not forget the "plan" that she and Nor had.

Astavyastataa Kadna wrote: Do you remember this quote, my fallen friend. I was amongst the first to decry your actions.

You are the boy who cried wolf to often, Asta. How is anyone supposed to dicern you being a braggart from when you are serious?

And besides, that is not an order. It is you being insulting. Big difference.

Astavyastataa Kadna wrote:This also does not seem to be an UNCONDITIONAL agreement to withdraw. I say NOW. You are ORDERED to leave - unconditionally.

As to Chaos ... only for small minds is the Chaos randomness without pattern ... you lack the intelligence my pugnacious friend to see the Larger patterns of MY Chaos!!

Of course it's not unconditional. I will complete my mission if no one else is willing to take a different course. I take no orders from YOU Asta.

And insults are ussually left to then unintelligent. It seems we're BOTH stupid Asta. At least I wont be lonely.

Bhakti wrote:

Lord Adomorn wrote:Nothing was going to be done and, indeed, nothing WAS done about his military left behind, NOTHING was done about the mutagnes and it seemed that no one cared.

This is quite clearly false. The plans we made were done in public. Simjen was going to get the Star out of the way, and Maeror and I were going to examine the disease/plague and mutagen situations. And that's exactly what happened. Attempting to justify your attempts to commit genocide by saying nothing was going to be done is preposterous. Your actions were evil. We asked you to stop.

Thank you, brother. This is exactly what Adomorn and I have been arguing about for the past hour in a side conversation. It is his responsibility to stay on top of everything publicly stated; it should not be assumed that all changes in plan will be sent privately to any and all involved in said plan once the changes are made available for all to see.

Adomorn acted out of ignorance to what the rest of the Pantheon had chosen to do. He is completely at fault here, and needs to safely withdraw his troops and make reparations to those he harmed. Even to those mutated into beings he may despise.

But, he chooses to not see things that way. At least at the point where our private conversation stopped and it came here...

Lord Adomorn wrote:And why should his mutated lands NOT be destroyed?

It is the same argument I was making when Nor was still here. He made VAST changes to the entire landscape of the world.

CAn YOU stop them from spreading to the rest of Eiran, Bhakti? Now that Merielle is the Goddess of Mutation, WILL she? Let's not forget the "plan" that she and Nor had.

Ahhh, Adomorn - your journey to the Dark Side is surely complete.

First, it was I that shared the words of NOR - his threat to mutate the world. While we expected Melirelle to stand with him ... neither I nor any of our allies ... tho close to Nor, have any words from HER threating you or Eiran.

In fact, all her public discussions have been protective of HER lands and HER peoples. Not others.

Finally, she correctly pointed out when I was going to DESTROY all mutation that the mutants may indeed be worshipers of other Gods. Your COWARDLY attack has not only hurt her ... but potentially other deities of the PANTHEON.

I withheld. I who am considered arrogant and thirsting for DESTRUCTION. Because I am strengthened by STRONG adversaries. NOT the women and children and elderly YOUR followers like to slay.

Honor should fall from you and wither ... I don't think it can stand your touch!! You have assumed the mantle of EVIL and CRUELTY!!

Astavyastataa Kadna wrote:First, it was I that shared the words of NOR - his threat to mutate the world. While we expected Melirelle to stand with him ... neither I nor any of our allies ... tho close to Nor, have any words from HER threating you or Eiran.

In fact, all her public discussions have been protective of HER lands and HER peoples. Not others.

You speak from ignorace to what I mentioned, Asta. Stop while your ahead. I am sure that SOME here remember the threat I speak of. And if not, it is only ANOTHER sign that either A)I was left out of important information again, or B)they have chosen to ignore something VASTLY dangrous.

O-gon-cho wrote: Thank you, brother. This is exactly what Adomorn and I have been arguing about for the past hour in a side conversation. It is his responsibility to stay on top of everything publicly stated; it should not be assumed that all changes in plan will be sent privately to any and all involved in said plan once the changes are made available for all to see.

Indeed that would be true, were not the attack involved in something else that I doubt you know of. It is what I made mention of with Asta.

I ASSUMED that the attack on Nor was involved in this matter. When the plan was changed, I DOUBTED it would include swaying from this point. It appears I was wrong on both counts.

I will not assume things of this importance from now I, I suppose.

Lord Adomorn wrote:And why should his mutated lands NOT be destroyed?

Nor Yekith would have used his mutagens and followers to force his will on all of Eiran. Will his mutated lands be used for that purpose now that he is gone?

Lord Adomorn wrote:CAn YOU stop them from spreading to the rest of Eiran, Bhakti? Now that Merielle is the Goddess of Mutation, WILL she? Let's not forget the "plan" that she and Nor had.

Perhaps you should ask her what her intentions are before you continue in your attempts to wipe out all life in Nor Pupae. Her actions have shown that she actually is my enemy, but I do not believe she is necessarily the enemy of anyone else, or of Eiran in general.

We of the Pantheon behave as our domains insist. Nor Yekith could not have chosen to not cause Malice, and we have his own word that he intended to force his will on all of Eiran. But the inhabitants of the world are another matter. Those who once followed Nor Yekith can choose to change their ways. What they would have done is not necessarily what they now will do. Eradicating them before offering them other choices is wrong.

Bhakti wrote:Nor Yekith would have used his mutagens and followers to force his will on all of Eiran. Will his mutated lands be used for that purpose now that he is gone?

Only Merille can say.

Lord Adomorn wrote: Perhaps you should ask her what her intentions are before you continue in your attempts to wipe out all life in Nor Pupae. Her actions have shown that she actually is my enemy, but I do not believe she is necessarily the enemy of anyone else, or of Eiran in general.

Lord Adomorn wrote: We of the Pantheon behave as our domains insist. Nor Yekith could not have chosen to not cause Malice, and we have his own word that he intended to force his will on all of Eiran. But the inhabitants of the world are another matter. Those who once followed Nor Yekith can choose to change their ways. What they would have done is not necessarily what they now will do. Eradicating them before offering them other choices is wrong.

But they are not normall followers, are they? They WERE, before Nor got to them. How can one say how they will act? They were changed at their core to follow Nor. What happens to them now? Can anyone, save Merielle answer?

oh Astavyas you you exaggerate. Adomorn has explained himself and his actions.

his explanations are adequate for me.

he has said he will reconsider.


stop bickering the lot of you. we have more than mutagens to worry about, do we not???

i'm sending all of you SEX dreams tonight to ease tensions.

(ogoncho...i'd HIDE if i were you...Mox looks a bit RANDY and my dreams could send him right over the EDGE!!! )

Mithyaat Vam wrote:oh Astavyas you you exaggerate. Adomorn has explained himself and his actions.

his explanations are adequate for me.

he has said he will reconsider.


stop bickering the lot of you. we have more than mutagens to worry about, do we not???

i'm sending all of you SEX dreams tonight to ease tensions.

(ogoncho...i'd HIDE if i were you...Mox looks a bit RANDY and my dreams could send him right over the EDGE!!! )

Thank you Sister. I am glad to see that not everyone assumes that I ordered this attack to rape and pillage and murder everything within sight.

Despite what it appears to be, I was TRYING to act to defend Eiran and my peoples.

:EDIT:

I KNOW I put my foot in my mouth when I am angry so I apologise if I made any insulting comments to you Bhakti.

Lord Adomorn wrote: Indeed that would be true, were not the attack involved in something else that I doubt you know of. It is what I made mention of with Asta.

I ASSUMED that the attack on Nor was involved in this matter. When the plan was changed, I DOUBTED it would include swaying from this point. It appears I was wrong on both counts.

I will not assume things of this importance from now I, I suppose.

*nod*

Not assuming would be a wise course of action in all matters, brother.

I may be uninformed in all matters that involved this course of action, but I still say you acted out of ignorance when information was plain in your sight, both divine and mundane. Withdraw from Nor Pupae. It is the only right thing to do until all have discussed what was learned and how we should proceed. The innocent whose only crime is being who they are should no longer suffer for your agression.

Mithyaat Vam wrote: i'm sending all of you SEX dreams tonight to ease tensions.

(ogoncho...i'd HIDE if i were you...Mox looks a bit RANDY and my dreams could send him right over the EDGE!!! )

Ah sister...

Mox seems to have left me in the dust. I have not heard from him in days. I guess once his prank was pulled on Raucous, all interest in me on his part must have dissipated.

However, the greens and golds will be soon rising for their mating flights again. It is amazing how quickly a year has gone. As my only experience has been with Sio during the mating of Talayeh and Raucous, I must admit your promise of such dreams intrigues me.

Mithyaat Vam wrote:...
i'm sending all of you SEX dreams tonight to ease tensions.

(ogoncho...i'd HIDE if i were you...Mox looks a bit RANDY and my dreams could send him right over the EDGE!!! )

Adomorn ... gotta argue with you later ... need to SLEEP ... quickly!!

As to MOX - with his relations with Bahkti, Jove, and O-gon-cho ... I will need to make sure my Jester is taking his vitamins!!

Lord Adomorn wrote:But they are not normall followers, are they? They WERE, before Nor got to them. How can one say how they will act? They were changed at their core to follow Nor. What happens to them now? Can anyone, save Merielle answer?

Nor Yekith did not remove the capacity for Love from his followers. He did not have that ability. I have the power, but I did not do so. Nor could he have removed the capacity for Honor, Joy, and a host of other things. They may have an increased capacity for Malice, but that does not mean there are not many who would like to follow other ways.

[OOC: The spelling of Melirelle's name is another one of those things. ]