Kevin's Watch

Murrin wrote:

Hmmmm ... your avatar makes me think ... and the contest ... YES ... Muppetus Terriblus

What do you think friend Murrin / Maeror?

Not quite what I had in mind, heh.

Lord Adomorn wrote:

Astavyastataa Kadna wrote:OOC - Done with Microsoft 2-day briefing and fly back home tomorrow - read all your posts - DAMN!!! you guys are good ... and DAMN, don't you WORK?!!

Next time, when I have less work, we need to hook up and hang around for the day.

Sound great - looks like Microsoft wants me to sponsor this trip as at least an annual even. We can have a sorta Great Northwest Elohimfest!!

Astavyastataa Kadna wrote:Sound great - looks like Microsoft wants me to sponsor this trip as at least an annual even. We can have a sorta Great Northwest Elohimfest!!

Oh. My. God.

YES!!!

WOO HOO!!!!

Once Pantheon 2.0 comes to an end, I'll miss the banter between Bhakti and Nor

Pantheon 2 will never end... if the world die i will resurrect it as the first undead world :P:P

MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUAHAHAHAAH

Xar wrote:Once Pantheon 2.0 comes to an end, I'll miss the banter between Bhakti and Nor

Perhaps in Pantheon 3 Fist will be the EVIL God and Lore the Tree Hugger!!

Now that would be interesting, AK! ehehe

Argothoth wrote:Pantheon 2 will never end... if the world die i will resurrect it as the first undead world :P:P

MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUAHAHAHAAH

For Argothoth's use in the future...

tnx O-gon-cho

i don't mean to be a stick in the mud but...

i so do not understand the idea of GODS "writing" laws amongst themselves.

handing down laws to mortals i get. another god telling me what i can and can't do...i have a harder time with.

i'm a bit anarchistic i think.

as per usual, i'll just go my own way and suffer the consequences.

no god of the pantheon can force another god to follow a rule. You can decide by yourself it you want to follow the rule that some of the gods find "correct".

I can attack who i want, but doing so i will find myself against the will of the majority of the gods that "think in the same way"...

And if Laws upon the Pantheon are recorded into Hedra Iren's book, does not the AllFather have the duty to implement actions and results upon a deity who chooses to go against them? Is this not the reason why Adomorn's hand has been stilled the past two Turns?

Yes. That was my understanding as well. O-gon-cho.

I agree with MV though, in that I think it is unfair that all the gods do not have a say in the writing of laws and the enforcement of laws.

For example, as Hedra Iren stated before she retreated to her home, any god who broke her law would lose their power.

Shouldn't that be decided by majority vote of the Pantheon memebers?

Jove wrote:Yes. That was my understanding as well. O-gon-cho.

I agree with MV though, in that I think it is unfair that all the gods do not have a say in the writing of laws and the enforcement of laws.

For example, as Hedra Iren stated before she retreated to her home, any god who broke her law would lose their power.

Shouldn't that be decided by majority vote of the Pantheon memebers?

Sister, I just addressed this in the Adomorn's Vote thread.

To reiterate, it is my understanding that any Law that is added to Hedra Iren's book is done with the agreement of the Pantheon. Hedra herself has attempted to warn us of the consequences of some of the Laws we requested be added, but has followed the will of the Pantheon when requested in adding Laws. As far as I can recall, she has never added a Law without discussion within the Pantheon and our agreement.

The interpretation and enforcment of the Law is where I see problems having arose. And while Hedra Iren will have her own POV on such, in the end it is my opinion that L-rd Adomorn, as G-d of Justice, and the AllFather will have the final say on what actions and results breaking such Laws will entail.

Sister, I just addressed this in the Adomorn's Vote thread.

To reiterate, it is my understanding that any Law that is added to Hedra Iren's book is done with the agreement of the Pantheon. Hedra herself has attempted to warn us of the consequences of some of the Laws we requested be added, but has followed the will of the Pantheon when requested in adding Laws. As far as I can recall, she has never added a Law without discussion within the Pantheon and our agreement.

The interpretation and enforcment of the Law is where I see problems having arose. And while Hedra Iren will have her own POV on such, in the end it is my opinion that L-rd Adomorn, as G-d of Justice, and the AllFather will have the final say on what actions and results breaking such Laws will entail.

I see your point, O-gon-cho, and I respect your point of view.

I just happen to see it a different way. I think giving that kind of authority to one god is detrimental to the rest of us. When Hedra was raised to godhood I welcomed her as others did and I have respected her word and supported her whenever I could. However, this particular law has not taken everything into account and leaves the innocent without protection.

I respect her knowledge and her efforts immensely and I am saddened that she has chosen to withdrawl from contact with the rest of us. I just cannot agree that the law we debated over is fair to everyone. It allows a constant stream of verbal abuse which over time can do emotional damage to the people of Eiran and puts at risk everything we hold dear.

Under that law, I can openly threaten you on a daily basis and you could do nothing about it. I could tell you unabated and in detail every horror that I had in mind for your dragons and followers. You, in return, would have to sit and wonder if or when I would carry out my threats. You could prepare yourself for my attack, sure, but still I would have to act before you could take any action and by then, it might be too late. I would have already won. Any reduction in my power would not matter then.

I do not see the wisdom of having to be a sitting duck and putting my followers in jeopardy because I cannot take action to stop the abuse. And the worst of it is that the abuse continues unchecked. At the very least, if the members of the Pantheon were able to vote that the abuse should stop, then we might have something. However, as it stands now, there is nothing in place because after all, words are not crimes.

Jove wrote:
I see your point, O-gon-cho, and I respect your point of view.

I just happen to see it a different way. I think giving that kind of authority to one god is detrimental to the rest of us. When Hedra was raised to godhood I welcomed her as others did and I have respected her word and supported her whenever I could. However, this particular law has not taken everything into account and leaves the innocent without protection.

I respect her knowledge and her efforts immensely and I am saddened that she has chosen to withdrawl from contact with the rest of us. I just cannot agree that the law we debated over is fair to everyone. It allows a constant stream of verbal abuse which over time can do emotional damage to the people of Eiran and puts at risk everything we hold dear.

Under that law, I can openly threaten you on a daily basis and you could do nothing about it. I could tell you unabated and in detail every horror that I had in mind for your dragons and followers. You, in return, would have to sit and wonder if or when I would carry out my threats. You could prepare yourself for my attack, sure, but still I would have to act before you could take any action and by then, it might be too late. I would have already won. Any reduction in my power would not matter then.

I do not see the wisdom of having to be a sitting duck and putting my followers in jeopardy because I cannot take action to stop the abuse. And the worst of it is that the abuse continues unchecked. At the very least, if the members of the Pantheon were able to vote that the abuse should stop, then we might have something. However, as it stands now, there is nothing in place because after all, words are not crimes.

Sister, in regards to this particular Law, you are preaching to the choir when you address me. I just do not feel Hedra Iren's POV is the only interpretation of said Law. In the end, we all must account ourselves to the AllFather.

My suggestion in the Vote thread of forming a method of addressing grievences is for the purpose of what you are saying. We have no disagreement there. As far as I can tell, our only disagreement is on if we need to put the force of Law behind said method.

And I was in agreement of what you posted.

I thought it was an excellent idea and something that should be discussed further.

Ok, the above was more like a Pantheon Game Thread conversation...

I know. Sorry.