Kevin's Watch

Mithyaat Vam wrote:i don't mean to be a stick in the mud but...

i so do not understand the idea of GODS "writing" laws amongst themselves.

handing down laws to mortals i get. another god telling me what i can and can't do...i have a harder time with.

i'm a bit anarchistic i think.

as per usual, i'll just go my own way and suffer the consequences.

Well said. No offense to Balon, but I honestly cannot see Nor Yekith ever agreeing to his law. Or the law of any god. I'd rather Xar (Hedra/Allfather) write them up and set them.

Xar wrote:Ok, the above was more like a Pantheon Game Thread conversation...

You're the MOD - can't you move the posts?

Well, if anything does get written into the Book of Law, it's Law, regardless of how we may feel about it. Right? But it doesn't look like Adomorn is getting anywhere near the 2/3 vote needed anyway.

As for MV's post, I can't remember any mythology that has Laws like what we're talking about. They just all did what they wanted, and, if they pissed off the king of the gods (Zeus/Odin/Ra/whomever), they got spanked. Which, basically, makes Hedra the queen of the gods.

But, since we have the Book, we could have a more active hand in the Laws if we wanted to. There's no reason we, the Pantheon, can't decide to make a set of rules to govern ourselves if we want to. The question is, do we want to?

I'm thinking yes. I'd rather we did it, so we'd know what we can and cannot do without getting punished, and make plans accordingly, than start making plans, and have Hedra tell us we can't.

Bhakti wrote:Well, if anything does get written into the Book of Law, it's Law, regardless of how we may feel about it. Right? But it doesn't look like Adomorn is getting anywhere near the 2/3 vote needed anyway.

It's the issue that we're effectively limited by a majority vote. If I had pushed a vote that got through because of a majority vote, you wouldn't be happy. The irony here is that Adamorn's law actually benefits me, but I don't think players should be deciding how the game is played - or the limits of the game.

The deities can decide. No, there's no separating the player from the deity, so the players would be deciding how the game is played. But every move the deities make are decided by the player.

Hedra has a Book of Law. Do the players/deities want to use it, or not?

It's the issue that we're effectively limited by a majority vote. If I had pushed a vote that got through because of a majority vote, you wouldn't be happy. The irony here is that Adamorn's law actually benefits me, but I don't think players should be deciding how the game is played - or the limits of the game.

Well, I agreed with MV but if we have to have laws, then I think it is only fair for the players to have a hand in making them.

Perhaps they can be laws that we agree to out of character.

Then again, should we really have laws that restrict ourselves? That was kind of my point earlier and something that Lore echoed. Laws make godhood a sham.

Jove wrote:Then again, should we really have laws that restrict ourselves? That was kind of my point earlier and something that Lore echoed. Laws make godhood a sham.

Well said. We're playing Gods, not politicians.

Bhakti wrote:The deities can decide. No, there's no separating the player from the deity, so the players would be deciding how the game is played.

No, the majority decides how the game is played.

O-gon-cho wrote: Brother, IMO the above limits what is seen as an immenent threat to only those two things you list. If Nor Yekith had not taken over half of Immeril, and if he didn't just tell us he was activating his military for defensive purposes, then how would the above justify the possibility of an assualt on him for his smaller actions and/or verbal threats? We have no proof that I know of that DRP was used to cause the Houka that carried the plague to Shakari to spread it there. We have no proof that DRP was used to spread mutagens into the waters from Nor Pupae. But over time a collection of actions and threats, whether with proof of DRP use or not, could justify an airing of grievances to the Pantheon, and the possible decision to launch an attack if reparations and change in intent towards the agrieved party is not forthcoming.

Well said. There have been several events where I have not ordered something, yet I take the blame. Honestly, it just feels like Adamorn wants an excuse to go to war.

I'm not annoyed, as the law benefits Nor, but I really would prefer if we didn't start dictating laws; it doesn't make for a fun game. Well, only for the law-maker and law-enforcer.

Nor Yekith wrote:

Jove wrote:Then again, should we really have laws that restrict ourselves? That was kind of my point earlier and something that Lore echoed. Laws make godhood a sham.

Well said. We're playing Gods, not politicians.

TOtally!! i'm finding my own damn domain restriction enough.

somebody destroy the world so we can get on to Pantheon 3.0!! i'll choose more wisely next time i choose a domain!!

and by the way, since i haven't said so and really didn't appreciate how good he is till i was already playing and trying to figure out how to MURDER him...

brilliant choice of domains for Nor Yekith, Loremastah, and great character.

Mithyaat Vam wrote:brilliant choice of domains for Nor Yekith, Loremastah, and great character.

*Bows*

Nor Yekith is a character I am very proud of. I'll miss him/it when it comes to the end of the second age.

Thanks, dear.

Xar wrote:Ok, the above was more like a Pantheon Game Thread conversation...

:::blushing:::

I am sorry AllFather. I was responding to MV's and Argothoth's comments, and then Jove and I took off from there...

Then again, we were making comments. Why would such belong on the Game thread? Simple because we were posting in character?

Jove wrote: Then again, should we really have laws that restrict ourselves? That was kind of my point earlier and something that Lore echoed. Laws make godhood a sham.

Again, I pretty much just addressed this on the Vote thread...

Has not the Game been played by rules/Law imposed by the AllFather from the start? Has not every player attempted a move, only to be told it was partially successful, or perhaps not successful at all due to the law of nature or some such on Eiran? Would it not be beneficial for all to know what can or can't be done on things that are agreed upon, instead of hearing one thing or another from the AllFather only?

Truthfully, I am still very new to this whole world building/RPG concept. Most likely there are still things regarding the Game I do not understand. I have no problem with knowing what limits there may be on what I can or can not do, as long as all are held to the same standards.

Nor Yekith wrote:

Jove wrote:Then again, should we really have laws that restrict ourselves? That was kind of my point earlier and something that Lore echoed. Laws make godhood a sham.

Well said. We're playing Gods, not politicians.

I agree with MV - brilliantly said!!

Let CHAOS reign!!

Loremaster wrote:

O-gon-cho wrote: Brother, IMO the above limits what is seen as an immenent threat to only those two things you list. If Nor Yekith had not taken over half of Immeril, and if he didn't just tell us he was activating his military for defensive purposes, then how would the above justify the possibility of an assualt on him for his smaller actions and/or verbal threats? We have no proof that I know of that DRP was used to cause the Houka that carried the plague to Shakari to spread it there. We have no proof that DRP was used to spread mutagens into the waters from Nor Pupae. But over time a collection of actions and threats, whether with proof of DRP use or not, could justify an airing of grievances to the Pantheon, and the possible decision to launch an attack if reparations and change in intent towards the agrieved party is not forthcoming.

Well said. There have been several events where I have not ordered something, yet I take the blame. Honestly, it just feels like Adamorn wants an excuse to go to war.

I'm not annoyed, as the law benefits Nor, but I really would prefer if we didn't start dictating laws; it doesn't make for a fun game. Well, only for the law-maker and law-enforcer.

Uhm...thanks...I think.

:::very confused. Didn't I say that in a different thread so it remained in character?:::

I wanted to reply as Loremaster, not in character.

I'm not annoyed, as the law benefits Nor, but I really would prefer if we didn't start dictating laws; it doesn't make for a fun game. Well, only for the law-maker and law-enforcer.

Well said. We're playing Gods, not politicians.

Exactly!!

Btw, Lore, you keep changing your av and I am getting confused. eheh.

Jove wrote:Btw, Lore, you keep changing your av and I am getting confused. eheh.

I think I will stay with Carl Sagan for a long time.

Loremaster wrote:I wanted to reply as Loremaster, not in character.

:::blushing:::

Than I am even more pleased by the compliment to my words...

Again, I have no problem with the idea of a forum for the airing of grievences and the possibilty of authorization for a deity to declare War on another without the backing of Law to it. But I do not understand how such would be enforced without the power of Law behind it.

Would Nor Yekith hold to a decision made by such a body?

O-gon-cho wrote:Would Nor Yekith hold to a decision made by such a body?

Is there any need to ask this question?

I think the issue here is that as gods become more powerful, their ability to drastically change the world becomes more likely. It's like the Cold War, only we're not going to have one God collapse without a war. Instead, it has slowly reached the point where war will happen whether we like it or not, and that the end of the Second Age is drawing near. It's just the nature of being entities with great powers and strong views on what is 'right'. We might just have to accept that this the way the world, or the universe, works.

Does war have to mean the end of the second age?