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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:33 pm
by Menolly
Cail wrote:Menolly wrote:If Susannah's Destination is what I think you are referring to, I've already read that.
So...Coda does continue with Roland inside the Tower? I figured that but...grumble...thanks Zahir and Cail...
I spoilered my stuff.
...not the comment after Zahir's post...
Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:46 pm
by Menolly
Well...I also asked this of Hyperception and Beorn. Both also say to read it.
...trying to remember who all was following this thread...
Av?
Luci?
Wayfriend?
any input from you guys?
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:33 am
by Avatar
I read on. How can you not? King obviously doesn't think that the book ends with Roland just entering the tower...otherwise it would actually have ended there.
Read it. You'll love it or hate it, but at least you'll know.
--A
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:16 am
by Menolly
...OK...OK...OK...
I would still rather wait until I hear from Luci and Wayfriend as I'm curious if the decision would be unaminous. But, I'll probably break down and continue on once my guys are out of the house for the day...
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:46 pm
by Menolly
Wow...read.
Uhm...wasn't The Matrix Reloaded, with it's story arc of The Architect and Neo's choice of rebooting the Matrix time and again, released just prior to DT:VII?
...time to make Fist happy...onward to Earthsea!!!
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:20 pm
by Cail
I loved the idea of Roland beginning the journey over and over again, I hated....hated the alternate timeline in which everyone was reunited. To me, that just shat all over everything that had gone before.
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:39 pm
by Menolly
Cail wrote:I loved the idea of Roland beginning the journey over and over again, I hated....hated the alternate timeline in which everyone was reunited. To me, that just shat all over everything that had gone before.
but...go, then, there are other worlds than these...
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:18 pm
by Zahir
Yeah, I'm with you Menolly.
And who's to say Roland will meet the same people in his Quest each time? Perhaps he meets slight variations, or maybe completely different folks or some combination? We don't know. But hopefully this time he'll learn enough not to enter the Tower, perhaps not even to approach it once he has saved it. Recall, that was his original desire--to heal what was sick at the Tower, not simply to attain its highest room. Methinks another name for Roland's tower might be BABEL.
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:48 pm
by Menolly
Is it also possible that Roland is wrong, and that there is more than one Tower, each located on a different world? That perhaps his childhood in Gilead, and his time in Mejis, not to mention all else that occurs prior to chasing after Marten/Walter/Flagg on the edge of the desert, occurs in the only world it could, but that all other journeys from this point foward occurs on different core worlds that contain a Tower?
Susannah felt her memories slipping, after going through her final door. Obviously, the same happens to Roland. For there to be only one Tower in all of Gan's creation, perhaps that's a misconception we all have made?
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:50 pm
by Cail
Yes, I remember that quote, but it was sooooooooo unsatisfying.
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:08 pm
by Menolly
Roland had to go to the Tower alone. Would you have preferred Susannah to also die? Obviously there has to be other Eddies, Jakes, and probably Odettas on other worlds. Why not give Susannah, who may have been the only version of Odetta to have a Detta within, some sort of satisfaction, if not happiness, after all she had suffered?
Perhaps for those who do not need to learn whatever it is that causes Roland to repeat his journey again and again, Gan offers a measure of kindness for a job well done.
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:33 pm
by Cail
Honestly, I'd have been much, much happier had Suze died as well. There were clearly other worlds out there, and I would have preferred the ambiguity of either letting Suze live and not knowing her fate, or having her die and assuming that some form of her continued on in another world.
Roland's fate is perfect, and that part of the Coda is phenomenal. That was really the only ending that the book could have had that I would have been satisfied with.
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:16 pm
by Zahir
Without going into details, I don't think it possible to write the ending of a long work--especially an epic--that every single reader will like. Even the readers who enjoy the work as a whole and admire it.
Cail--your opinion is as valid as my own and Menolly's. And ours are as valid as yours. King wrote the story that was in his mind's eye and here it is. Myself, I accept that since I'm not the only audience my own views are not the ultimate arbiter. Nor should they be.
Mind you, watch how that sentiment flies out the window once I find something which I don't like. <g>
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:23 pm
by Menolly
...OMG-ds...
The title I gave this thread, in relation to the ending of the series, just hit me...
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:49 am
by Avatar
Cail wrote:Honestly, I'd have been much, much happier had Suze died as well. There were clearly other worlds out there, and I would have preferred the ambiguity of either letting Suze live and not knowing her fate, or having her die and assuming that some form of her continued on in another world.
Agree wholeheartedly.
--A