Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:02 am
Arg...tempting...
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:17 pm
Second Apocalypse members have confirmed purchasing TUC at Waterstones in the UK, shipping from Waterstones to US (at a prohibitive price probably), and having Barnes & Noble in US put books on hold for the second date (not revised!) US date of July 11th!
It's out there!
It's out there
!Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:01 pm
I have an idea as to why Proyas was raped by Kellhus, and an idea as to the essence of the no-god.
Proyas was raped because Kellhus - maybe - is trying to humiliate humanity or one of its leaders in preparation for his failure to eliminate the consult. Either to make them weak enough to survive, or weak enough to help him get what he may seek.
I don't have it yet, I want to make a prediction regarding the no-god, or the last 2 (?) books Bakker is thinking about writing after this.
I don't really want to put all the reasoning out, because I think people reading this thread have enough knowledge of Bakker to close some of the gaps, but...
I think the no-god is just some earthly god or force who has been enshrined within a structure built by the consult. The reason it is so antithetical to man is because of things such as chorae and iron being used to somehow invert the awareness and/or power of the no-god.
The creation of the no-god itself is an establishment that twists the gods of the tusk into hating sorcery, perhaps. Those who sing sorcery through metaphors and logic will be turned and find their salvation in singing of the beauty of the world - however much is left if and when the consult's efforts have largely succeeded.
You know, if and when the no-god's armor comes off, when his "sarcophagus" is destroyed he'll just be a big mummy/mommy god.
It might be something like 'the opening of the ark" in Indiana Jones.
But yet, I wonder, if this series of books somehow breaks all the rules we seem to have from it and ends on a happier note, or what have you, will the consult - breaking all the rules in order to avoid the consequences of their actions - be saved?
This all assumes Bakker even intends to write a happy story with a good ending when what he tends to give us is so tending towards the horrific. Given the abnormalities of Seswatha's dreams for Akka, we don't really even know which dreams to trust anymore. Is Akka seeing something more true, or more false?
We already have a story that the apocalypse happened once. What was done to the no god's remains then? Maybe neither the no-god nor the heron spear figure in the struggles in the book.
Anyway, I'm probably indulging myself too much right now. As though simply contemplating a pleasant end to a fictional story which I'm not even current with (don't have a copy) in the midst of what I need to do is a great use of my time.
Proyas was raped because Kellhus - maybe - is trying to humiliate humanity or one of its leaders in preparation for his failure to eliminate the consult. Either to make them weak enough to survive, or weak enough to help him get what he may seek.
I don't have it yet, I want to make a prediction regarding the no-god, or the last 2 (?) books Bakker is thinking about writing after this.
I don't really want to put all the reasoning out, because I think people reading this thread have enough knowledge of Bakker to close some of the gaps, but...
I think the no-god is just some earthly god or force who has been enshrined within a structure built by the consult. The reason it is so antithetical to man is because of things such as chorae and iron being used to somehow invert the awareness and/or power of the no-god.
The creation of the no-god itself is an establishment that twists the gods of the tusk into hating sorcery, perhaps. Those who sing sorcery through metaphors and logic will be turned and find their salvation in singing of the beauty of the world - however much is left if and when the consult's efforts have largely succeeded.
You know, if and when the no-god's armor comes off, when his "sarcophagus" is destroyed he'll just be a big mummy/mommy god.
It might be something like 'the opening of the ark" in Indiana Jones.
But yet, I wonder, if this series of books somehow breaks all the rules we seem to have from it and ends on a happier note, or what have you, will the consult - breaking all the rules in order to avoid the consequences of their actions - be saved?
This all assumes Bakker even intends to write a happy story with a good ending when what he tends to give us is so tending towards the horrific. Given the abnormalities of Seswatha's dreams for Akka, we don't really even know which dreams to trust anymore. Is Akka seeing something more true, or more false?
We already have a story that the apocalypse happened once. What was done to the no god's remains then? Maybe neither the no-god nor the heron spear figure in the struggles in the book.
Anyway, I'm probably indulging myself too much right now. As though simply contemplating a pleasant end to a fictional story which I'm not even current with (don't have a copy) in the midst of what I need to do is a great use of my time.
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:06 pm
Thanks for that!
I'll refrain from commenting until you, and others, have read TUC.
I'll refrain from commenting until you, and others, have read TUC.
Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:33 am
Ha, ordered TUC. Gotta wait about 2 weeks for delivery. 
(Still, faster than the last one. )
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:03 pm
Great post, Holsety.Holsety wrote:...
Yay! I'm excited for you both to get your hands on itAvatar wrote:Ha, ordered TUC. Gotta wait about 2 weeks for delivery.
(Still, faster than the last one.
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.Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:18 am
Haha, not as much as I am. 
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:02 pm
R. Scott Bakker r/fantasy AMA scheduled for Aug 2nd! Spoilers for all seven books so far!
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:19 pm
Tomorrow!
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:21 am
A week(ish).
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:54 pm
Happy TUC Release Day!
Aw, Avatar.
May your week pass quickly!
Aw, Avatar
.May your week pass quickly!
Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:41 am
Here's hoping. (Still, had to wait months for TGO, so this isn't too bad.)
(Will probably have to re-read TGO first though.)
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(Will probably have to re-read TGO first though.)
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:17 pm
Or just read all of TAE 
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Read it all for TGO, so TJE and WLW are pretty fresh in my mind.
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 6:26 pm
Got mine today! Can't wait to start.
Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:32 am
Looks like mine might arrive today.
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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:49 am
Huzzah!
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:28 am
And it did.
Just gotta read one quick book first, then I think TGO again, then TUC. Should be done by next week.
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Just gotta read one quick book first, then I think TGO again, then TUC. Should be done by next week.
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:18 am
Savour it!
Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:30 am
I will, but as quickly as I can. On the plus side, re-reads are easy.
Just started TGO in preparation.
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On the plus side, re-reads are easy. Just started TGO in preparation.
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