A Game of Thrones

[Skyweir]

Ugh! I just constructed a very thoughtful post only to lose it to the cyber-ether! I hate it! Duh! Now I have to start again!

First brilliant observations Doc! Loved your original Finale post! You've made some very interesting points! Yes Robin - I didn't consider what affect LF death might have on him! This should be interesting. Also he's a spoiled brat and should just suck it up! But yes to find out LF killed his mum be interesting to see how he deals. Though as some of you have already pointed out - it may, like other things just fall out of coverage. I mean you're not going to address every human element in the show - so hopefully we'll get better insight from the books.

I did not see LFs end coming at all - I was pissed with Sansa for what seemed like yet another sucker-punch! I was shocked by Aryas being hauled into the great hall to answer.... and was delighted when Sansa turned to the miserable little toad LF!!!!

Yeah my son told me about the Bran = the Night King theory. Yeah I'm finding that a little hard to swallow. Be interesting to see I guess. His explanation was Bran altered the time line in the way he did with Hodor/Hold the door. Yeah and the shared sigil - but is it a Stark sigil? Is the Stark sigil a spearhead - cos that's what it looks like. Not that it's been shown that much.

Yeah finally someone knows about Jon!! Did you notice that Bran spoke as if he wouldn't be there to tell Jon. Well it sounded that way to me.

Ugh Cersei - I thought she was going to double cross them all in the arena! Well she did but not in the way I expected - what an idiot, she anticipates the march north, the battle with the WW is a thinning of the herd exercise? She's is beyond immoral! But what I wonder did Tyron promise her? Remember their chat? Toward the end he asked what SHE wanted from the meet ... we never found out. I do hope he's not going to betray Danny!

Someone mentioned a love interest for Tyrion.. who would that be? Surely not Dany- she's already made it clear how she feels about small men, didn't she say Jon was too small for her? LOL yeah maybe she wasn't talking about his stature

But Tyrion didn't have a hope in hell with Dany, in my most humble opinion that is - but Jon! I didn't think they'd get it on. How is he, being raised as a Stark, going to feel when he discovers they're related. Is she his aunt or her step sister?

Great finale! Loved it .. do we really have to wait till 2019 for the final season?

[caamora]

I think Tyrion had the message from Winterfell about Jon's parentage. Didn't Bran say that he needed to be told, as if time were of the essence? And Sam was right there and could have sent a raven to Tyrion. Maybe he was trying to stop Jon and Dany bit was too late. I don't think it's a love interest thing at all.

[wayfriend]

Tyrion has been looking for love for the whole show. I think a great ending would be for him to get the greatest woman in Westeros. Poetic Justice of the positive kind. So I am holding out for Tyrion+Daenerys. That last scene, he had the hang-dog expression of a boy who waited too long to ask the girl out and she went for someone else. Also, we know that if Jon and Dany hook up this soon before the end, it is not meant to be, there will be a twist. There are so many reasons this could happen: they are related; he has a better claim on the throne she covets; the Lord of Fire has plans for him; GRRM does what he does. Also, if Jon is a Targaryen, then a marriage to him gets Daenerys nothing politically, and I think that she will need a political marriage to win the Game. After all, what's the point of the Game of Thrones if the winner has a precarious crown? There are no Baratheons left, so she will marry a Lannister.

As I said before, I think Daenerys locks the crown by a complete victory: conquers the Queen & saves the world & lineage in the old line & marriage into the new line & will of the gods. All of it. Anything less and your just another person who won temporarily, like the Mad King or Robert or Joffrey or Tommen or Cersei, soon to be toppled.

[caamora]

Then she could marry Jaime.

[wayfriend]

Ah, but Jaime loves Cersei. And of course, he has his own story arc as the Kingslayer. The doer of bad deeds for someone else's ends, always relied on, never respected for it. I predict he either (a) adds Queenslayer to his titles (repeating his past), or (b) saving the life of the new monarch at a critical time (refuting his past). Could be both at the same time. I also would rather see Jaime take down the Mountain rather than any kind of Clegane-bowl - positive poetic justice after the loss of his hand and his subsequent reduction in stature. He should win in battle against the greatest fighter in Westeros. The Hound has found peace.

[Zarathustra]

I don't see how the waif could have known where Arya was standing when she witnessed her father's execution, as she told Sansa this season. Plus, that's a really bad story choice, to make one character actually another character whom we care much less about. Twists are supposed to make stories better, not worse, otherwise there's no point.

Also, Dany gains the entire North if she marries Jon! That's quite a lot. Just because Jon bent the knee doesn't mean his people will like it. Marriage seals the deal in a way that is not bending the knee.

Dany can gain control of the Lannisters by defeating them, or gain cooperation if Cersei is killed and Jamie switches sides.

All of this is moot if Jon is the one to win the iron throne. Maybe we need to ask who is the smart choice for him to marry. Given that our two favorite characters (arguably) both have a legitimate claim, a marriage between the two seems like the only way resolve that conflict.

[Skyweir]

mmm... very interesting observations!

Yeah I don't buy the waif theory either .. I believe Arya is Arya. The waif wouldn't have know how to get to Winterfell even or know the Maester she grew up with or heaps of other detail .. I'm with Z .. its too unlikely.

And re: Jaime do t forget which King he slayed .. Dani's father. Yeah the Jon/Dany thing is still weird to me .. but he is the most worthy of her.

Interesting point about Tyrion hanging around the corridor - maybe he has been sent a raven about Jon. But on second thought, he would have sent the raven to Jon not Dany or Tyrion. Yeah for sure he could have found out what was in the message, but mmm.. time will tell.

Tyrion winning Dani would be poetic justice! But I can't see it happening in the show - the books maybe...

Caam did you once live in Queensland?

[Skyweir]

mmm... very interesting observations!

Yeah I don't buy the waif theory either .. I believe Arya is Arya. The waif wouldn't have know how to get to Winterfell even or know the Maester she grew up with or heaps of other detail .. I'm with Z .. its too unlikely.

And re: Jaime do t forget which King he slayed .. Dani's father. Yeah the Jon/Dany thing is still weird to me .. but he is the most worthy of her.

Interesting point about Tyrion hanging around the corridor - maybe he has been sent a raven about Jon. But on second thought, he would have sent the raven to Jon not Dany or Tyrion. Yeah for sure he could have found out what was in the message, but mmm.. time will tell.

Tyrion winning Dani would be poetic justice! But I can't see it happening in the show - the books maybe...

Caam did you once live in Queensland?

[dlbpharmd]

Maybe Tyrion has known who Jon is all along? After all, it seemed that Littlefinger knew about Rhaegar and Lyanna (but maybe not that she had a child.) Tyrion is old enough to know that truth also.

There is the theory that Tyrion is a Targaryen, which would make him Dany's brother.

[wayfriend]

There is the theory that Tyrion is a Targaryen, which would make him Dany's brother.

I can't see that. We know with absolute certainty who his mother is, since she died in childbirth quite conspicuously. Maybe she had an affair with Rhaegar as well, and somehow Tywin didn't know he wasn't the father. But this is all just speculation based on Tyrion's interactions with the dragons ... which might just as easily be explained by the dragons knowing who he WILL BECOME. Mr. Daenerys!

[Damelon]

There is the theory that Tyrion is a Targaryen, which would make him Dany's brother.

I think that Viserion becoming a zombie dragon puts an end to that theory. Tyrion seemed to be the most obvious third rider but now that can't be. I believe that Tyrion will ultimately wind up back with Sansa, uniting the Starks and Lannisters.

What Arya's future development is a question mark for me. I think the waif theory is one of the more believable ones out there. I seem to recall that taking on a face also involves taking on that persons perceptions making it more believable that the waif would know details from Arys's past. But Arya's dagger in that old book also seems mean that LF won't be the most significant victim of it. The Night King could very well be. Perhaps Arya can take the face of a white walker

[Zarathustra]

I think the waif theory is one of the more believable ones out there.

Her face was in cut off and put in one of the pillars in the temple with all the other faces, IIRC. If so, then it can't be her.

[Skyweir]

Yeah I agree with Z .. I can't quite see the waif theory panning Ng out .. but who knows

[wayfriend]

Bump time!

Re-watching season 7 now. It's been a WHILE.

[Skyweir]

Hahaha Ive just finished running through ALL the seasons .. last night was Season 7 Finale .... and am perfectly ready for Monday and VERY EXCITED

I picked up things Id missed in my other viewings, thats ALWAYS fun but Im also reeeaaalllyyy sad that the next 7 or so eps are the last ... forever.

And now Im terribly concerned about Tyrion and what he discussed with Cersi during the cessation of hostilities tet e tet. Ive picked up on a waning of loyalties and a sentiment of doubt from him re Danis executive actions, which I totally agree with. Yes mercy could be shown but she MUST be seen to stand by her words. And I gotta say Tyrion IS NOT as smart as he thinks he is. Soooo many dumb plans and bad advice.

Nevertheless... I just love this universe .. world and there are soo many parts of it still to explore. So will definitely be hoping Martin gets a shake on with the books.

[Cagliostro]

Seems such a slow start to an overhyped season. I'm sure the intensity will be staggering later, but I was ready for a big pow right out of the gate.

[I'm Murrin]

I dunno, with the way they rushed and condensed plot in the last couple seasons I'm up for a bit of slower pace.

[dlbpharmd]

I was disappointed a bit with the reunions. I think they were poorly written, or maybe poorly acted. They just seemed flat - although one would expect any reunion with Bran to be so.

The best part was Sam meeting Dany - I thought John Bradley came across as very genuine.

I'm a bit put out with the recent perception that Tyrion is now a dumbass. Certainly he was outmaneuvered last season, as even the best commanders would be from time to time. But it's now coming across (as with Sansa's comment about she used to think he was the cleverest man) that he's really foolish.

[wayfriend]

Well, that last bit with Jaime and Bran was a huge "Oh sh**." I enjoyed the surprise.

I think it's fairly certain after all this "I didn't want to be king" stuff that John is going to sit on this revelation. It would only f up the war against the Night King more than it is.

In soap opera logic, this means that the secret is going to get out and John is going to be blamed for hiding it and Dany will think he's up to no good after all and Dany and Sansa will end up pulling each other's hair (metaphorically).

All of which is a set up for the big reconcilliation in the last episode.

I'm a bit put out with the recent perception that Tyrion is now a dumbass.

That's the set-up for Tyrion saving everyone by being the utterly brilliant and wise man that he is in the last episode.

It'll all end in Tyrion. Trust me.

[Skyweir]

I agree with almost all your facts heights Wayfriend but the last.

First YES the Bran waiting for an old friend was brilliant

And their meeting of eyes also .. mmm.. looks like Jaimie will have sum splaining to do.

And of course he killed Danys dad

Im concerned about Tyrion ... yes hes canny but Id love to believe he did not know the Lannister army wont be joining Jaimie .. that conversation we did not see between him and Cersi bothers me.

And he did f up a lot with Dany. Im not sure if hes up to no good or not. I cant imagine he would have known about the Lannister army .. I dearly hope not

Cant wait for Monday to see more