Lost Season 3

[Zarathustra]

It's all about probability. That's what the "magic box" is, a way to manipulate probabilities, quantum reality.

Ask yourselves: how did the Others know that Locke's dad was Sawyer's "Sawyer?" I've been assuming that they know everyone's past by reading their memories, similar to the smoke monster reading Eko's memories during his encounter. But this information wasn't in ANY of their memories. Locke didn't know his father's connection to Sawyer. Sawyer certainly didn't know it. And Locke's dad didn't know it (he had no idea that Sawyer was watching under the bed). We're talking about almost God-like knowledge, here. The only explanation I can think of is that the others had read the memories of all three men, and put 2+2 together themselves. BUT, how did they know to read the memories of these three particular men? It's so unlikely, so improbable, that some kind of artificial manipulation of probablity must be involved. This explains all the coincidences, all the interconnections between these seemingly unrelated characters. That's why the "magic box" can give you whatever you want . . . no matter how improbable.

[wayfriend]

The scene a few weeks ago showed Ben going into the cabin and telling the Russian guy to get detailed files of everyone on the plane. They had comm with the mainland; presumably they're hooked up to some serious CIA types.

[sindatur]

It's always been my pet theory that Hurley's numbers manipulate the laws of probability (Hurley used them, got all the good luck, and everyone else got stuck with the bad luck. The most unlikely good things happen to Hurley, the most unlikely bad things happen to those around him).

i even thought for awhile that might be the sickness that Danielle spoke of. She said her team studied the numbers and they were cursed. I thought they had figured out how to use them, and Danielle thought she couldn't allow that knowledge, abuse, sickness of manipulating the odds of probability to be unleashed on the world if they were to be rescued, so she killed them all, and recorded over the numbers transmission

[Zarathustra]

Regardless of whether the probability thing is true, I'm still stunned by how they Others would know of the connection of three men who didn't know they were connected themselves. Some of this stuff had no other witnesses, and wasn't a matter of public record. That's why I'm saying it's almost "God-like" knowledge.

Another possibility: all of their memories are fake. They've been implanted with fake memories in the brainwashing room we saw on the other island.

Aintitcoolnews has a long, interesting debate about all this. There's some intersting Atlantis stuff there, and much argument about faking the plane crash, including all their bodies.

One particular interesting thing I read was about time shifts. Perhaps they really did crash, and those really are their bodies. But the island is a place where time runs slower, so that everything they are experiencing right now is before the plane actually goes down.

Nah, the more I think about it, that doesn't make sense.

This is one intriguing show! It is definitely picking up steam. Much better than season 2. For so long, people have comlained that mysteries aren't solved and nothing gets revealed. Now it almost feels like it is revealing too much too fast. In the last few weeks, we've had: learning how Locke got paralyzed, learning the father of Sun's baby, learning who the real "Sawyer" is, that Juliet is against Ben, how the Others get on and off the island, Jack and Claire are related, dead people aren't really dead, the world thinks the people on 815 are dead, Penny has found the island, Charlie will soon die, Kate does "put out" afterall , Rousseau and Ben once had a "fling," and. . . am I leaving anything out?

[sindatur]

Rousseau and Ben had a Fling? You're just joking right?

Also Dead people do stay dead, the island can't heal death. The Podcast said the fence wasn't turned up high enough to kill Mikhail, and no one made sure he was dead, they jsut assumed

[Zarathustra]

I was joking about Mikhail--they showed a little blood can be "faked" with Claire's implant.

But I thought they actually said Ben was Alex's father.

[sindatur]

Ben is Alex's father by virtue of the fact his people stole Alex from Danielle 16 years ago, when she was 1 week old. Danielle says she was 7 months pregnant when she arrived on the island and her baby was stolen at 1 week old. Ben says he's lived on the island his entire life. Danielle's lover Robert, that she claims to have killed due to the sickness is suspected to be Alex's father.

Unless everything we know about Danielle is wrong (I can only explain that with brainwashing; lying and being in cahoots with Ben doesn't work for me) then Ben is not her biological father. In the first 6 episodes (I Do, I believe) of this season, ALex called Ben by his name, and someone corrected her, and replied, "What should I call him, Dad"?

[Cagliostro]

I wanna know when the Rousseau flashback is. Then again,

Spoiler

I understand we are getting a Ben flashback soon, so we might find out soon.

[sindatur]

The Producers are promising next year for a Rousseau flashback

[Cagliostro]

The Producers are promising next year for a Rousseau flashback

Oh....then that's alright then.

[Warmark]

Nice episode again, i wonder what jack and Juliet know?

Kate is preggers? Perhaps she knows about the coming raid?

I think the dynamite will come into play in the season finale.

Also interesting is the possibilty of it not being an island. i think it is though, i dont want them to wander onto a holiday resort round the next beach.

[Elfgirl]

And Locke's dad didn't know it (he had no idea that Sawyer was watching under the bed).

Just a minor correction. Locke's Dad might not even have know that his 'marks' were dead, because it was Sawyer's Dad who killed his mom & then himself (see episode 8 of series one, "Confidence Man") Only Hibbs (Sawyer's partner in another con job) knew Sawyer's full story, and all he did was capitalise on it by getting Sawyer to fly to Oz to cap Duckett (who he told Sawyer was the original "Sawyer")...and gave Sawyer's excuse for being in Australia. (series one, ep. 16 "Outlaws")

[Zarathustra]

Yes, of course Elfgirl. You're right. And that only makes the mystery larger. How did the Others know stuff the characters didn't know themselves, things for which there was no public record? It's something only a writer of the series would know. Is this a slip up? Or is it a clue that the others have powers of information gathering that we haven't even imagined?

I really hope they're not going the fake memory route. It does seem odd that everyone who travels to the island loses consciousness on the way.

[Kil Tyme]

Good ep. Re the crash plane pieces: it wasn't washed out to sea after all, but I do think that the story that it was found in a miles deep trench was concocted for the press/world. Another inside-job from Dharma. These guys are more powerful than the Illuminati.

Yes, this season it does seem like the questions brought up in one ep is solved in another ep or two down the road, only to bring up an even more intreging question. Too bad Idol is hurting the show being that they are having this on later in the night and thereby having fewer viewers than before, even though the show is superior this season. I always have to watch these Lost shows on the net later in the week.

[sgt.null]

easiest explanation for the plane being spotted? they mentioned subs had to go down to see the wreckage as it was in a deep trench. Hanso foundation provides the subs, program the pics needed. too far down for retrieval, but everybody shown as dead, memorials made, world moves on.

[aTOMiC]

www.mania.com/54608.html

For those of you who thought LOST would just go on perpetually guess again.

[wayfriend]

Makes sense. A plot with no closure gets stale. And a good writer can add another season after the grand finale if they are desperate for a drama.

[Cagliostro]

Glad to hear they are planning on wrapping this up rather than continue it on until everyone stops watching. Although I had heard previously they were in negotiations, glad to hear it wasn't just another year or even two more years, which is what I was hearing. Three seems about right. 6 total seasons. Yeah, should work. I hope.

I just hope they don't kill off everyone that makes it interesting, or at least bring in enough interesting new people to the show. It is going to get a lot harder bringing in new folks though. Unless another plane happens to crash.

And Dharma? Are they even still running? Doesn't seem like they are on the island anymore, unless they are about to arise from some hidden deeper city even further below the surface. But off the island, if they are still around (which I suppose the food drop is a good sign that they are), why would they make it look like they are all dead? To what end?

[sindatur]

Well, the Benjamites ran Dharma off the island, that's why it was called the purge. i assume anyone who wouldn't convert to Ben's tribe, was killed.

My theory is that Dharma will be returning in force, and the Benjamites will have to join forces with the Flight 815 folks, and Jack will take a leadership role in the combined forces (especially if Ben dies in the finale, which I'd really hate to see Michael Emerson leave the show, he does creepy so well) bringing us back to further exploring Jack's Tattoo meaning.

[A Gunslinger]

I kept waiting for Locke's Dad to turn into Smoky myself.

I'l lrepeat my pet theory: Smoky is an artifact from the original, perhaps ancient denizens of the island. Dharma/Hanso found the place ans were studying it and the islans inherent "powers" when the subjects (Ben and his group) rebelled, causing the "purge".

Penelope is linked to the orignal hanso group, is she not? She and her father may well try to regain control of the island..though for two very different reasons.