Pantheon: The Third Age - Rules and Comments Thread

[Menolly]

Well, Pam's attempts to get people to reveal strategies and methods aside...

...love you too, Fist...

The reason I started all this is that I wanted to make something, but Xar warned me that anybody else would be able to use it. Under the current system, yeah. DRPs are DRPs. But I can't help thinking that a Forest item made by the God of Forests shouldn't be usable by others.

Well...may as well live up to the reputation.

Do tell...

[Montresor]

I've never 'leant' DRPs to anyone, and have no intention of doing so. With the exception of a couple actions which could be thought of as generic displays of power, resting outside the province of any particular domain, I have always used my DRPs in the context of my domains. Really, I thought that was the point of the game?

I would definitely support Fist's motion.

[lucimay]

what IS fist's "motion"?

if you want to make a thing thats usable by only you. make it that way!

i so don't get this discussion.

[Dorian]

Fists motion is that, if you wish to spend DRP, its to be spent only within your domain and only you can do anything within your domain, using only your own power

As for an item, Im not so sure fist, as theres dozens of cases in mythology of magical and divinely created items being chased after and coveted by many other people/gods/beings. If you create an item, and your stupid enough for it to fall into an enemies hands and have it manipulated then tough.

[Montresor]

Yeah, and that you can't 'lend' DRPs to another deity, except through some manifestation of your own domain. I think it suits the game's concept.

[Dorian]

I find that its quite fun trying to find a way to manipulate oblivion to my needs. Ive been pretty inventive thus far.

[Fist and Faith]

Reeling a bit from being on the same side as Montresor.

Yeah, I can probably make it usable only by me. But it would certainly be more difficult. That is, cost more. And I intend to go ahead with this idea in one form or another, so I won't give any details. Making it more difficult to discuss this whole issue. But I'm envisioning a game system where it's not a consideration. Could Apollo make a tsunami? Could Poseidon make the sun shine brighter? Could Frey make lightning? Why would any Forest item I make be usable by any of the rest of you?

Another aspect of my thinking is, why can my power be used by Eztlicoatl to make the Sun shine brighter? My power should only be able to do Forest things. My power should be Forest power, and I shouldn't be able to loan it out.

At least with this system I'm thinking of. And the way I picture various mythologies being, as in the examples above. I'm not saying it should be this way in P3. P3 has its rules and systems and all that. It's still the coolest game going! I knew the rules all along, and don't regret it or need it changed. But what about P4?

[Dorian]

yeah you make sense in the sense of drp use and domains

But items are wholly another matter. If I was to make some sword of oblivion, or some staff of shadow or some such, or if you were to make some forest totem or something, then there is no stopping it falling into other hands. Sure it shouldnt be as effective or as easy to use for others, but hte option is there.

sure they couldnt use DRP to make a forest, but if they found your wand of tree making and figured out how to work it, then your up the proverbial shit creek

[Dorian]

Actually now that I think about it, this system would lead to items being more useful

You wish to give someone a gift. so you give them an item taht has some of your power in it for use in your domain. It may only work a limited number of times, or only be slightly effective, but it makes sense.

You could put, say, 3 drp into a wand then gift it to another god or keep it there for yourself or whatever. two of those drp are later used before the wand is lost in a raid from another god. That new god suddenly has 1 drp of your power for use in your domain. They may not know how to use it, but if they managed to figure it out, that 1 drp would be so much more useful, being in a domain that you normally have no control over.


imsorry but I think this idea is bloody awesome lol

[uKulwa]

I must say I'm liking some of it myself.

Certainly about the items. About only being able to use power in your own domain, I agree on principle, but have to ask how loose it could be.

For example, I have a heretic priest. I want him taken out, and empower my high priest with 1 DRP to do so.

Now, that's not strictly an application of "war power." Would that be impossible under this system? Or would it still fall under my domain as it involves my church?

Also, from what I'm understanding, if I wanted a tsunami, I'd have to negotiate with TM for it, but he'd have to use his own DRP. Then in return, I'd do something for him with my DRP?

[Dorian]

In that case, you would have to say something like " I empower my high priest to be the ultimate bringer of war" or some such making him more powerful or something. depends on your interpretation.

you wouldnt necessarily need to trade with TM tit for tat. what you trade for what is entirely up to you. He may really want a blessing of war badly, so you could potentially trade a weaker blessing when compared to the power and devastation brought on by the tsunami.

The wonders of commerce

[lucimay]

oh ye gods (pun intended) i haven't even figured PEE TWO rules out...much LESS Pee Three. please don't confuse me further or i'll have to stop reading this thread!!

[Xar]

I have to apologize for the slowness with which I'm processing this turn... my boss told me I'm supposed to prepare another seminar for next week, apart from the one I have to prepare for mid-June, so I'm kind of swamped right now. I'm still processing the turn, but it's going very slowly at the moment. Hold on and we'll get past this pesky real-life hurdle

[Zephyr]

Don't distract our conversation with talk of turn results, Xar!

[Menolly]

oh ye gods (pun intended) i haven't even figured PEE TWO rules out...much LESS Pee Three. please don't confuse me further or i'll have to stop reading this thread!!

hear! hear!

Well said.

Leave well enough alone.

Don't distract our conversation with talk of turn results, Xar!

*rubbing eyes*

...blink, blink, blink...

Nah...that has to be wrong.

*downs more coffee*

[Dorian]

I think its an awsome idea myself. Im sticking with it.

Im going to get kicked out of the eclipse for agreeing with Zeph but I think its truly top notch. Will truly bring out some great creativity and imagination

[Fist and Faith]

I think its an awsome idea myself. Im sticking with it.

Im going to get kicked out of the eclipse for agreeing with Zeph but I think its truly top notch. Will truly bring out some great creativity and imagination

I'm feeling a little faint, here...



*bows*

OK, trying to further clarify for those who aren't able to navigate through my mind just yet... (And, again, Xar has P3 all worked out. I'm not suggesting we change it now. We understand the rules as they are, and don't need to revamp the whole thing at this point. And, hell, for that matter, Xar need never go along with any of this. He's the GM, and it's his world. If we want to play a game with him as GM, he's the one to set up the world. But if he's looking for thoughts... Heh.)

Actually now that I think about it, this system would lead to items being more useful

You wish to give someone a gift. so you give them an item taht has some of your power in it for use in your domain. It may only work a limited number of times, or only be slightly effective, but it makes sense.

You could put, say, 3 drp into a wand then gift it to another god or keep it there for yourself or whatever. two of those drp are later used before the wand is lost in a raid from another god. That new god suddenly has 1 drp of your power for use in your domain. They may not know how to use it, but if they managed to figure it out, that 1 drp would be so much more useful, being in a domain that you normally have no control over.


imsorry but I think this idea is bloody awesome lol

Yes, I agree in the case of the types of artifacts you're talking about here, as well as the "sword of oblivion" type of thing. What I have in mind, though, is something that seems to me to require the ability to manipulate Forests. As only I and my highest followers might be expected to do.

For example, I have a heretic priest. I want him taken out, and empower my high priest with 1 DRP to do so.

Now, that's not strictly an application of "war power." Would that be impossible under this system? Or would it still fall under my domain as it involves my church?

Like Dorian said:

In that case, you would have to say something like " I empower my high priest to be the ultimate bringer of war" or some such making him more powerful or something. depends on your interpretation.

You would increase the qualities that make someone a Warrior, as well as increasing his devotion to you. I would give someone stronger Forest affinity. Eztlicoatl might make a follower shine like the Sun.

Also, from what I'm understanding, if I wanted a tsunami, I'd have to negotiate with TM for it, but he'd have to use his own DRP. Then in return, I'd do something for him with my DRP?

You'd probably want to talk to Dagon about that. But, again, as Dorian says:

you wouldnt necessarily need to trade with TM tit for tat. what you trade for what is entirely up to you. He may really want a blessing of war badly, so you could potentially trade a weaker blessing when compared to the power and devastation brought on by the tsunami.

The wonders of commerce

Whatever you and Dagon worked out. If Apollo wanted a tsunami, Poseidon didn't break open a rule book to see what the required payment would be.

Don't distract our conversation with talk of turn results, Xar!

*rubbing eyes*

...blink, blink, blink...

Nah...that has to be wrong.

*downs more coffee*

It wasn't easy writing that!

[Fist and Faith]

Hmm, can't delete this double-post...

[Montresor]

Like Dorian said:

In that case, you would have to say something like " I empower my high priest to be the ultimate bringer of war" or some such making him more powerful or something. depends on your interpretation.

You would increase the qualities that make someone a Warrior, as well as increasing his devotion to you. I would give someone stronger Forest affinity. Eztlicoatl might make a follower shine like the Sun.

I agree totally. I did actually do something like this with my prophet. I pumped a DRP into his defense, writing something like: any blades thrust against him will wither and melt as if they were plunged into the heart of the sun; any hand laid upon him in violence shall be reduced by flame to ash.

Zephyr would obviously do something like: those who approach Azver with intent to harm shall become tangled in a clutch of vines, rendering their exertions useless etc etc . . . all except the followers of Eztlicoatl, who no tree shall nor blade of grass ever stand against, on account of him being the True God.

[Zephyr]

See? Even he understands how it would work.