President Trump

[Skyweir]

unreasoned hate

Funny and ironic.

I have given reasons for my myriad concerns about your fearful leader.

And all you have to do is visit his Twitter account. I watched a FOX interview with Trump lol and boy he thinks well of himself. He was referring to the cognitive ... dimension test he took recently and tweeted hilariously that ... He surprised his doctors by passing the test.

President Trump said Thursday night on Fox News that doctors who administered him a recent cognitive test were “very surprised” that he “aced” it, continuing a long-standing preoccupation with defending his mental acumen as critics constantly question his fitness for office.

He also said he knows more than anybody else ever has ... talking about his lacklustre COVID messaging.

[peter]

Am I getting from this Sarge, that it wasn't so much the idea itself which may have been sound in principle, as the legislative framework in which it was embedded?

[sgt.null]

Peter - Nancy Pelosi famously remarked we had to pass Obamacare to find out what was in it. And it fined people for not having insurance. How is that supposed to help the poor?

[Skyweir]

It depends who you talk to apparently

What the US dont have ... medicare ... a national health service they sorely need.

[sgt.null]

Universal Healthcare would have been great. The mess that was Obamacare was not it. It was a typical Democrat bill. Plenty of give away and no real solution for the problem at hand.

[Skyweir]

I hope the US achieves universal healthcare

[sgt.null]

You could ask Democrats to actually work on it. They rejected working on police reform. They rejected infrastructure. So the seem to have time.

[Skyweir]

Lets hope both parties effectively collaborate.

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Am I getting from this Sarge, that it wasn't so much the idea itself which may have been sound in principle, as the legislative framework in which it was embedded?

Yeah, to be fair, I got that a lot at the time when we were discussing it here...I was all "how can you be against it?" and by the end I realised that it wasn't actually anything like universal health care as other nations consider it.

That said, the question is whether those people who depend on it (and people do) should have it taken away...

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[peter]

Replaced might seem a better solution..........

[Kizza]

Trump is an excellent marketer.
He could sell ice to the Eskimos. Possibly already has.
Marketers do not lie. They just put a different spin on it.
Trumps referee, John Baron comes to mind.

His comedy is inspiring. I wish he went back to daily Covid updates. They were very funny.

[TheFallen]

He is back (possibly) to daily COVID updates. The first one he's given in a long while was yesterday.

He stayed much more on script, didn't get drawn into impromptu jousting with journos or off-the-cuff Trumpisms. Possibly because the news he was delivering was more sobering than his previous pronouncements, namely that in terms of the US, the pandemic will "will probably get worse before it gets better". Take that as you will.

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Wait, he actually said it will get worse? Interesting...who has his reins and how long will it last?

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[Hashi Lebwohl]

That is Trump's problems--no one has ever held his reins. Instead, he just gets out there and goes wild.

[wayfriend]

Trump also notably failed to allow any medical or logistical experts speak, demonstrating he will still suppress information where it suits him politically.

He also re-iterated many, many of his lies.

And, after 140,000 deaths, he announced that he's coming up with a plan to deal with it.

But at least he flip-flopped on the masks issue finally. That needed to be done.

Then again, shortly afterwards, he was seen hobnobbing around his hotel and mixing it up with his crowd without a mask.

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That is Trump's problems--no one has ever held his reins. Instead, he just gets out there and goes wild.

Well sometimes he manages to get "on message" as it were, hence my interest in how long it will be before he goes off again. :d

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[Hashi Lebwohl]

Trump also notably failed to allow any medical or logistical experts speak, demonstrating he will still suppress information where it suits him politically.

So not letting people speak is suppressing information, yes? Is that something we should not be encouraging? That is to say, when someone has something important to say we should let them speak, correct?

[wayfriend]

So not letting people speak is suppressing information, yes?

That's not equivalent to what I said, so 'no'.

Not letting official pandemic experts provide scientific information about the pandemic during an official pandemic briefing because it contradicts the lies being stated in the official pandemic briefing is suppressing vital information about the pandemic which people need to cope with the pandemic.

Which is flabbergastingly horrible.

[Hashi Lebwohl]

What scientific information do people need at a daily briefing, new updated death numbers? Everything you need to know from a scientific point of view is already available online. What good does an updated death number do for anyone, anyway, except make the weak-willed or easily-led more panicked than they arleady are? The death rate is going down, which means that the virus is not as deadly as everyone feared it would be, which means that businesses don't have to be force-closed any more.

As I noted, this is the only pandemic in history which is being blamed on one specific individual in defiance of all logic, which means that the response has less to do with the actual event and more to do with him. Also, since we are living in the Upside Down now, the people blaming him are not blaming the people who are actually responsible for it in the first place.

I notice you avoided the last question, though: when someone has something to say they should be allowed to speak, yes?

[sgt.null]

So not letting people speak is suppressing information, yes?

That's not equivalent to what I said, so 'no'.

Not letting official pandemic experts provide scientific information about the pandemic during an official pandemic briefing because it contradicts the lies being stated in the official pandemic briefing is suppressing vital information about the pandemic which people need to cope with the pandemic.

Which is flabbergastingly horrible.

I know this is likely hopeless, but give specifics please.