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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:26 am
by Mortice Root
Nice summary again, Jenn.

Ok, so the introduction of Lebbick is great. He's only around for maybe 2 or 3 pages, but seems to carry so much more weight, especially in the way the other characters react to him. We also get a sense for how fierce his loyalty is to Joyse, right off the bat, and get the sense that he's (Lebbick) tearing himself apart with that loyalty.

I gotta say, I totally forgot about the jokes between Ribuld and Argus. These two are really funny. :D

I also love the way the romance between Terisa and Geraden is developing. Both are somewhat naive, inexpierenced people, and being no stranger to well-meant romantic gaffes in the past, I read about their interaction constantly thinking "Oh, I've soo been there...." :) . And this type of writing, almost a light hearted (well aside from the possible impedning desctruction of the kingdom, and assasination attempts, I mean ;) ) romance is so different than most other things that SRD writes, it just makes me even more impressed.

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:05 am
by Cameraman Jenn
One of the things I love about this series is the fact that it is SRD at his best and yet it has a fun side to it that isn't seen so much in his other works. I love how his sense of humor comes out to play in this series and brings so much more richness to the charactors and the writing. It's a complicated, dark and dangerous series but it has a focus on joy and humor that you don't see so much in his other work.

The Castellan is definitely a piece of work. We already know he is insane and full of unrestrained violence right off the bat. Such a tragic figure, so right and forced to be so wrong.

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:51 pm
by Usivius
One of my tragically favourite characters of all time.
Spoiler
I'm totally drained every time I read about his death

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:37 pm
by Mortice Root
I agree Jenn, the sense of "fun" interspersed with the seriousness in MN as whole makes it strikingly different from anything else SRD has written. (or at least, that I can remember now...)

I can try to have the next chapter summary up by the end of this coming weekend, although it's a busy one for me, so no promises. Of course, if anyone else wants to jump in and take it, that's fine with me. :)

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:43 am
by Mortice Root
Ok, seeing no takers :) ......... here's the summary for:


Chapter 8 – Various Encounters

Gerdan expresses his belief that Terisa is the augered champion because of he apparent ability to cause a mirror to change Images. Terisa, however, feels that because the mirror that translated her shows things that are not real, she herself is not real. As they discuss, it becomes apparent that Master Eremis has been listening.

Terisa is again entranced by the way Eremis looks at her, comparing his presence to that of her father. Eremis attempts to convince Geraden that he is concerned for Geraden’s safety, and values Geraden’s intelligence, all while making his interest in Terisa quite clear. Forced to be polite, Geraden formally introduces the two, while Eremis discusses his interest in the impossibilities which surround Terisa. Throughout the conversation, Eremis makes his intentions toward Terisa clear, and while Geraden becomes increasingly exasperated by Eremis’ advances, Terisa feels mesmerized by Eremis’ attention, despite his short fuse with Geraden.

Struggling, Geraden raises the point that although Terisa claims not to be an Imager, and that there are no Imagers in her world, she may possibly be one in Mordant, and this could provide an explanation for all of the apparent impossibilities that have been occurring. Deflecting his argument, Eremis again reveals himself to be considerably more flattering towards Terisa than Gerdaen is.

Terisa notices that the Image that had been changed in the glass has reverted to it’s normal state, and is now showing a band of riders attempting to gain Orison’s safety, while several of the are attacked by creatures which Eremis identifies as products of Imagery. Geraden identifies one of the riders as the Perdon, who does gain the castle. Eremis, puzzled as to the Perdon’s arrival, goes to seek information, bringing Geraden and Terisa with him.

Eremis and Lebbick have a brief confrontation outside of Joyse’s chambers while they are waiting for the Perdon to return from speaking with the king. Eremis reasons that the Perdon has come in anger, to demand assistance from Joyse, and further, that the Perdon’s demand will be denied. This is supported as the Perdon, followed by the king’s daughter, Elega, storm from the audience chamber. As Elega and the Perdon argue, the Perdon vows to send all of his wounded and dead to Orison to remind the king of his lack of assistance.

Eremis, Geraden and Terisa overhear this portion of the argument, and Eremis encourages the Perdon to explain his concerns. The Perdon discusses his dislike of Imagery and goes on to describe the attacks on his territory. He had apparently been suffering at the hands of unorganized bands of raiders from Cadwal. However, his scouts recently discovered that these varying bands of men were from the same camp, an official camp of the king of Cadwal, estimated to be 15,000 men. This force is in position to start a major offense when the winter ends. The Perdon has only 3,000 men, and Joyse has repeatedly denied him the help of his force of 8,000 which is currently at Orison.

Eremis comments that the Perdon’s plight and his own are very similar, and invites the Perdon to discuss it in private, a suggestion which clearly suprises the Perdon, but one to which he agrees. The two of them leave, leaving Geraden, Terisa and Elega in the hall. Neither Geraden or Elega understand what occurred between Eremis and the Perdon. Elega recoveres herself, formally introduces herself to Tersia and chides Geraden in the process. Elega then invites Tersia to visit her and Myste, her sister, in their rooms. Elega indicates that since Mordant is a “man’s world” a female of importance, such as Terisa, is of great interest. Tersia is quite disturbed by the fact that she is being asked to make a decision, and agrees, blurting out that she wasn’t doing anything important anyway, thereby totally dissing Geraden, who leaves, obviously somewhat hurt.

As Elega and Terisa walk towards Elega’s rooms, Elega indicates that she and Geraden were once betrothed, until Elega broke the engagement, because she sees Geraden as a failure. Terisa disagrees, but doesn’t voice this thought. When they arrive at Elega’s rooms, Tersia notices that they are plainer in decoration than the king’s. Elega explains that this was originally due to the need between public and private faces of the king’s family.

Myste arrives, and Terisa notices the differences and similarities between the two women. Myste is incredibly eager to meet Terisa and through the conversation Elega makes it clear that she feels very affectionate about her younger sister, but does not think too highly of her intelligence. Elega informs Myste of Joyse’s latest inaction, expressing her disbelief, but Myste, though confused by Joyse’s actions, tries to be supportive of them. Elega leaves to get lunch, and Terisa notes that Myste seems to see through her, again reinforcing her own belief in her unreality. Myste informs Terisa that her sister Torrent, is living with their mother, Queen Madin, in Fayle. Myste describes her mother as a “woman who knows her own mind” and indicates that this is rare, though Myste sees this as lack of courage in other women.

Myste tells the story of how Joyse and Madin married, stating that Madin, though she loved him, declined his first proposal becuae of his “marriage” to his war. After his initial anger at the rejection, Joyse became even more enamored of Madin for it. He eventually won the wars, then turned his attention to the formation of the Congery, when Madin rode to meet him on a field of battle, stated that he was taking to long, and demanded to marry him on the spot, to which he agreed. They had a happy marriage until recently, when he became, as Myste describes, passive. Finally fed up with his apparent apathy about all things not hop-board, Madin left, and Torrent accompanied her. Joyse was stricken, but did not explain. Elega returns, and indicates that she remained with Joyse because something must be done, and it will happen in Orison. Elega further opines that Myste remained because she believes that Joyse will return to his old self, if he is given time and trust. She then apologizes and asserts that maybe Myste remained so that Joyse will still have the company of one woman who loves him. Teresia feels that Myste might have stayed to be a witness to Joyse’s actions.

The ladies question Terisa, who again denies all knowledge or power of Imagery. Myste responds as though she has heard a marvelous revelation, but Elega is infuriated with Terisa’s description of the “accident”. Myste appears to take this news as confirmation of a deeply held belief. Elega attempts to get Terisa to tell the truth, saying that no defense is needed, but Terisa again apologizes and states that she is telling the truth.


....and I'm spent. :D

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:33 pm
by SoulBiter
Just received my copies of Mordants need in the mail. Bid for them on ebay.. two hardbacks for 4.95 not counting shipping. 10 dollars counting shipping. Got to love ebay!!!

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:30 pm
by Cameraman Jenn
Excellent work MR. Soulbiter, congrats, does that mean you wanna take a stab at a chapter? :P

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:43 pm
by SoulBiter
I should have more reading time tomorrow and be able to knock out a few chapters of reading. Once Im caught up I would love to take a stab at a chapter :D

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:44 pm
by Cameraman Jenn
Sweet! :P

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:14 pm
by Mortice Root
Go for it, Soulbiter! The more, the merrier! :D

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:24 pm
by Cameraman Jenn
Ok, so one of the best parts of this chapter is the sisters. Right away you are shown that they are opposites. Already Terisa is drawn to Myste and wary of Elega. I think in a way, Elega reminds Terisa of her father. She is power hungry and a bit condescending right off the bat. I think Terisa can relate more to Myste. What a great two charactors though. :P

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:26 pm
by Usivius
OK I'm ready! I've got dibs on Chapter 11!!!!! (one of my faves --- ah, heck, they are ALL good!)
Jenn I'm just doing my summery of the Gap chapter, then I will take a long read of MoHD Ch.11 and give a good, hearty summery of it when it's that chapter's turn. K?
:biggrin:

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:57 pm
by Mortice Root
Rock on, Usivius! 8)

Yep, Elega and Myste are great contratsting characters. I think SRD was sort of intentionally recalling King Lear with a bit of this set up, too. The old senile king with only three drastically different daughters to inhert from him..... very cool.

We also get even more comparisons between Eremis and Terisa's father. From early on, we know that Terisa's father treated her and her mother as objects, largely objects to be ignored. Eremis also treats Tersia as an object, although one worthy of attention. We can see Tersia being partly attracted to the idea of being an "important object", and this conflicting with her urges to be independant. Of course, being independant is frightning because it implies responsiblity....

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:44 pm
by Usivius
Myste tells the story of how Joyse and Madin married, stating that Madin, though she loved him, declined his first proposal becuae of his “marriage” to his war. After his initial anger at the rejection, Joyse became even more enamored of Madin for it. He eventually won the wars, then turned his attention to the formation of the Congery, when Madin rode to meet him on a field of battle, stated that he was taking to long, and demanded to marry him on the spot, to which he agreed.
I love that story. IN a short passage, SRD packs so much in about character. It's a wonderful passage that could only have been told by Myste.

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:58 pm
by Mortice Root
Yeah, it's great. Yet another sign that SRD rules. Of course, it makes summarizing it darn difficult....

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:12 pm
by Cameraman Jenn
It also outlines how much more dramatic and distressing the decline of Joyse is. It turns that plot twist from sad to mortifying.

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:41 pm
by SoulBiter
Just got done with Chapter 8 and Im really getting hooked into the story. One of the little tidbits that keeps coming out in all this is the fact that it wasnt until Havelock lost his wits that the king started to play hopboard and lose his. I suspect (although I might be wrong) that these two things are linked in some way. One of the things that really makes me believe that is the fact that he wouldnt even listen to his wife after spending years trying to get her to wed him. It just seems out of character for the king that they talk about in the past tense.

Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 2:15 am
by Mortice Root
Soulbiter said
One of the things that really makes me believe that is the fact that he wouldnt even listen to his wife after spending years trying to get her to wed him. It just seems out of character for the king that they talk about in the past tense.
Agreed. And in just a few lines, we're really given the sense of how much this attitude is costing Joyse, emotionally, with the description of his breakdown after Madin leaves.

Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:08 pm
by SoulBiter
Chapter 9 - Master Eremis at play

The start of this chapter leaves off at Chapter 8 with Terisa still having 'tea and crumpets' :) with Elega and Myste. However they obviously have some other motivations than they let on and they cant talk around each other for fear of the other finding out their motivation. Thus Terisa bids her farewell and goes back to her room being led by Saddith.

What we find about Saddith in this chapter is that she is using her 'womens wiles' to get better station in life and it appears to be working. She is such a strong ego (although not one I would call virtuous) that she doesnt understand why women in higher stations than she dont do more. Not only that she encourages Terisa to do the same. She also mentions that she is being bed by a Master. But she doesnt mention which one. However it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. Master Eremis at this point seems to me to be a scheming womanizer.

However since the name of this Chapter is Eremis at Play, SRD will spend some time getting us to know Eremis. Speak of the devil and he appears. Eremis shows up with Garaden to take her and Geraden to the Congery. One in which they arent invited. The Congery is not happy to be disobeyed but somehow Eremis is able to convince them to let them stay. Not only that he immedietly asks a vote on makeing Garaden a Master. They vote and Garaden is NOT made a Master. Very odd. Im not sure at this time what his motives are. Was it just to get Garaden out of the room? If so it works because they ask him to leave.

The Chapter spends alot of time with Master Eremis showing that he is a Master manipulator. Even though he isnt in charge of the Congery he seems to get his way time and time again and sometimes by asking the questions in such a way as to make it appear that these things were not his idea. He seems to want whats best for Mordant but under his breath you can tell he is scheming. But what is he scheming? Before the meeting is over he has them agreeing to bring the 'Champion' to Mordant. Then he asks for 6 days in order to look for an alternative. He says he is having a meeting with some of the other leaders from other areas. There is much opposition, not the least of which is Master Gilber. Not only that the Congery is not sure that Eremis will be a suitable advocate for them. So out of no where he asks that Master Gilber come with him since he was the strongest opponent to this meeting.

After the meeting Eremis tells Terisa that she can tell no one. Not Geraden, not even the king, about the meeting and what was discussed. He then takes her to his room and makes it very clear that he is there to 'explore her womanhood'. What really steams me at this time is that she seems to want this guy to have her. Perhaps its because she has never had anyone be so blatent and doesnt know how to handle it. Also for some reason he is able to get her hormones cranking and she really does want him to have her.

Thank goodness for friends. Garaden saves the day by knocking at the door at just the right time. He says he is there to repay a debt. He even tries to get Eremis to forgo what he has in mind with the statement "The Lady Terisa deserves better"
Eremis shoes him away and goes back to what he has in mind. She has the forethought to ask him some questions and he even goes as far to tell her that she didnt exist until Garaden brought her from the mirror. Just as he is making his move again.. Garaden again shows up asking if they need food. After he leaves again she goes back to asking questions (Did she learn that from Saddith?) We find that the whole thing is his plan even having Master Gilber being the other Master at the meeting. They are in 'it' together. Hmmmmm.
This time Saddith saves her by coming in and letting them know that Myste requires her presense.. now....Since it is the Kings daughter, Eremis lets her go.

The chapter spent alot of time getting me 'the reader' to truly dislike Eremis. Im sure this is intentional. I just cant see what Terisa sees in this guy. He almost has a magical way to make women want to be bedded by him. At least he is open about it. He just basically says.. Im gonna have you and you are gonna let me and she seems to fall over herself to let him.

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:58 pm
by Usivius
LOL :lol:
It's interesting to hear summaries from a first timer... and they are great! Wonderful insight, Soulbiter.
I think you nailed it on the head about what Teresa sees in Eremis: she has never had a man before ... no, scratch that; she has never had a man even look at her in a provocative way, and, yah, it "awakens the beast" (to quote a source I cannot recall ;) )

But I love Geraden here. Yah, he's a naive little puppy in some respects, but, man the guy has got guts ... You can see the littel sparks of what goes in to his family (wait until you meet Artagel..)