Kevin's Watch

We'll I get that. I'm talking about small things, small gestures that I saw only in CoTCtU and than again in the Narnia movie. I'll watch the movie again and let you know what exactly I had in mind. As to other Donaldson's books, I couldn't get to them. Only the chronicles are translated on Serbian language. Download is kind of lame. If I could find the English version I'd buy it, but it's hard to do so in Serbia. I respect SRD too much to just download his work... It would make me feel bad (you may know the feeling). I understand that he has put a lot of effort in writing these books so I just can't do it. As soon as I get the chance to buy those books I'll do so. I'm looking forward to it.

I don't know how feasible it is for you to use amazon or other ordering sites, or how much extra $$ you have to pay to get stuff shipped from america overseas, but here are some links to places where you can get some of Donaldson's other books.

I used tinyurl b/c it's better than having the long-ass urls. The alibris links may die b/c these books are used and could get sold out.

If you decide you want to buy these books, tell me before doing so. I may be able to find you some online coupons which could save you some money.

The Gap: sci fi. First entry is very narrow in focus, centering around three characters (and Nick doesn't have a huge role either). It's very different from the next 4 books, which are a little more typical (though still excellent).

Warning just in case, it is pretty explicit and has a rape scene, but since you are a fan of thomas covenant I assume you are not going to condemn the book as satanic just because it has disturbing stuff in it.

The Real Story: The Gap Into Conflict
tinyurl.com/2gnjdu
tinyurl.com/2833bc

Forbidden Knowledge: The Gap Into Vision
tinyurl.com/28w97d

There are 3 more books, I will get you links for them to if you want. (personally even w/ my favorite author's I tend to only read the first few books before deciding to get the rest).

Mordant's Need. Fantasy. Probably the least dark of donaldson's works, but that doesn't mean I don't recommend it. Terisa Morgan gets pulled through a mirror to Mordant, and is quickly involved in the small, declining nation's struggle to maintain its independence.

Mirror of Her Dreams:
tinyurl.com/2hwhzh
tinyurl.com/ypqlyt

There is a second book, again I'll get you the link if you want it.

EDIT-I don't like amazon's cover very much. My version is an older book w/ a sexified red-haired terisa morgan on the cover.


How many books from The Chronicles are in serbian? Do you guys have the second and last chronicles?

Holsety wrote:

We'll I get that. I'm talking about small things, small gestures that I saw only in CoTCtU and than again in the Narnia movie. I'll watch the movie again and let you know what exactly I had in mind. As to other Donaldson's books, I couldn't get to them. Only the chronicles are translated on Serbian language. Download is kind of lame. If I could find the English version I'd buy it, but it's hard to do so in Serbia. I respect SRD too much to just download his work... It would make me feel bad (you may know the feeling). I understand that he has put a lot of effort in writing these books so I just can't do it. As soon as I get the chance to buy those books I'll do so. I'm looking forward to it.

I don't know how feasible it is for you to use amazon or other ordering sites, or how much extra $$ you have to pay to get stuff shipped from america overseas, but here are some links to places where you can get some of Donaldson's other books.

I used tinyurl b/c it's better than having the long-ass urls. The alibris links may die b/c these books are used and could get sold out.

If you decide you want to buy these books, tell me before doing so. I may be able to find you some online coupons which could save you some money.

The Gap: sci fi. First entry is very narrow in focus, centering around three characters (and Nick doesn't have a huge role either). It's very different from the next 4 books, which are a little more typical (though still excellent).

Warning just in case, it is pretty explicit and has a rape scene, but since you are a fan of thomas covenant I assume you are not going to condemn the book as satanic just because it has disturbing stuff in it.

The Real Story: The Gap Into Conflict
tinyurl.com/2gnjdu
tinyurl.com/2833bc

Forbidden Knowledge: The Gap Into Vision
tinyurl.com/28w97d

There are 3 more books, I will get you links for them to if you want. (personally even w/ my favorite author's I tend to only read the first few books before deciding to get the rest).

Mordant's Need. Fantasy. Probably the least dark of donaldson's works, but that doesn't mean I don't recommend it. Terisa Morgan gets pulled through a mirror to Mordant, and is quickly involved in the small, declining nation's struggle to maintain its independence.

Mirror of Her Dreams:
tinyurl.com/2hwhzh
tinyurl.com/ypqlyt

There is a second book, again I'll get you the link if you want it.

EDIT-I don't like amazon's cover very much. My version is an older book w/ a sexified red-haired terisa morgan on the cover.


How many books from The Chronicles are in serbian? Do you guys have the second and last chronicles?

I'd gladly use Amzon, but they do not do shipments for my country . Last year when I had my holiday in Greece, I found the Greek translation, but doesn't mean much because I know only 2 Greek words . I have some cousins in USA and I'll tell them to buy it for me. Thanks for the advices...

In my opinion, those scenes are a filter for readers. That's actually what makes Donaldson offstream writer and his work offstream fiction. That's probably what is stopping the producers from investing in the movie. Covenant isn't like LOTR or other fiction novels, Covenant movie would have it's audience but it wouldn't be accepted by most. I know that because most of my friends stopped reading the chronicles after the rape.

Seven books are translated until now. First, second and the first book of the last ("Runes of the earth" is the last book translated until now, still waiting for Fatal Revenant). I wrote 1000s of mails to the publishers to start translating the Runes. 4 months later I saw the book on the shelf and I was happy like happy feet. Now, I'm sending thousands of mails to make them translate the Revenant. I'll see how that goes.

Hey, new to the watch. Anyway, apparently, in the next episode on from dead man walking, there's another TC referance:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Day_in_the_Death
(in the outside referances part)

Hmm. Doesn't seem to be much to base that on--it follows naturally from the circumstances of the character, so is probably just coincidence (and the wiki edit from a less than objective fan searching for any little thing to label as a reference).


Welcome to the Watch, by the way. Be sure to stick around.

The episode I first mentioned, Dead Man Walking, will show on BBC America on Saturday, March 8, 8 PM EST. Watch it if you can and make up your own mind.

I went over to a friends' house last night and what did she have on, but Torchwood? She said it's her 2nd favorite sci-fi (knowing her, I assume Matrix is #1). I mentioned there was a reference to my favorite fantasy, she said she'd never heard of TC and didn't know the reference to the words.

In Raleigh it appears to be on at 9pm. If I can trust the online guide. I'll have to tivo it as I think it is a genetic and cultural imperative that all residents of North Carolina watch the Duke-UNC game at that time, even though I'm a UCLA fan

Sorus wrote:I don't know how I feel about it, at least without knowing the reason behind it. Metallica used uncredited quotes from LFB. It would have been nice if it had been acknowledged, and translated correctly. But I think it would actually be kinda neat if it was intended as an inside joke.

you must be talking about Leper Messiah, I knew there had to be a connection all these years.

So glad to find this thread. I saw the episode of Torchwood too, did some googling on Melenkurian (sorry, think spelt wrong, too lazy to go upstairs and get book and check) and then found Kevin's Watch and ended up joining. Been trying to find a thread discussing this for ages.

Llaura wrote:So glad to find this thread. I saw the episode of Torchwood too, did some googling on Melenkurian (sorry, think spelt wrong, too lazy to go upstairs and get book and check) and then found Kevin's Watch and ended up joining. Been trying to find a thread discussing this for ages.

Hi and welcome!

I saw a post over at the LJ torch_wood community about the words and thought of linking here, but I was tired and unambitious. Maybe I should have...

How many times is the Melenkurion phrase spoken in total? From the bit I saw on YouTube before it was pulled, I only heard it said twice in that alien/monster voice, but to my ears it came out so garbled that I would never have recognized it as the Seven Words of Power. So I ask, is the phrase spoken clearly at some other point in the episode? Clearly enough that I would be able to recognize the Seven Words as such without requiring subtitles? Because now I'm thinking this whole issue is a tempest in a teapot.

I haven't seen the episode more than once but if memory serves, Owen first hears the words from a disembodied voice. Then he types/plays the words on an alein language translator. So we see and hear some of them at that point, plus the "translation."

Then we hear the words again a couple times later in the episode, both fragmentary and complete. It's pretty central to the plot.

But I think it was just an affectionate homage thing: they've referenced Star Wars and the Matrix recently, too.

lord.trax wrote:Since I've read the Chronicles, I've started noticing "Stealing" from it in many movies or TV shows

Heh, Life On Mars. Much though I like that series, there was some really obvious TC-ness. It could well be a coincidence, but me being a TC fan, it seemed like a flagrant rip off at times. Specifically: man hit by car awakes in a world that can't possibly exist, refuses to accept the world is real, instead insisting he's in a coma or similar, follows his own rules in defiance of all logic and sense to the people of the impossible world, but gradually comes to realise that his feelings for them are more important than the question of whether any of it is real.

CovenantJr wrote:

lord.trax wrote:Since I've read the Chronicles, I've started noticing "Stealing" from it in many movies or TV shows

Heh, Life On Mars. Much though I like that series, there was some really obvious TC-ness. It could well be a coincidence, but me being a TC fan, it seemed like a flagrant rip off at times. Specifically: man hit by car awakes in a world that can't possibly exist, refuses to accept the world is real, instead insisting he's in a coma or similar, follows his own rules in defiance of all logic and sense to the people of the impossible world, but gradually comes to realise that his feelings for them are more important than the question of whether any of it is real.

Anything along these lines earlier than A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court?

The plot CovJr described sounds to me like a more serious TC rip-off than this business with Torchwood.

Blackhawk wrote

Sorus wrote:
I don't know how I feel about it, at least without knowing the reason behind it. Metallica used uncredited quotes from LFB. It would have been nice if it had been acknowledged, and translated correctly. But I think it would actually be kinda neat if it was intended as an inside joke.


you must be talking about Leper Messiah, I knew there had to be a connection all these years.

Nope, aside from the title, (which I suppose could be taken to be a TC reference) I'm not aware of lyrics from "Leper Messiah" that are a direct quote from TC. But, in "To Live Is To Die" from the Justice album, there are. The line "These are the pale deaths, which men miscall their lives" is directly from TC (early on in LFB, if I remember right).

Mortice Root wrote:Blackhawk wrote

you must be talking about Leper Messiah, I knew there had to be a connection all these years.

Nope, aside from the title, (which I suppose could be taken to be a TC reference) I'm not aware of lyrics from "Leper Messiah" that are a direct quote from TC. But, in "To Live Is To Die" from the Justice album, there are. The line "These are the pale deaths, which men miscall their lives" is directly from TC (early on in LFB, if I remember right).

I'm not a metallica fan, but isn't Leper Messiah a David Bowie reference? I remember reading a question about it in TGI.

Just a side note, though pertinent; I believe some of these words are actually of an east Indian dialect, perhaps with religious connotations. If so, they cannot be legally protected in any way. It would be no different than trying to copyright the english language.

I can't remember for sure, but I think SRD even said something to that effect in one of the Interviews somewhere. Not sure though.

-B

Which Metallica song used quotes from LFB??? I love Metallica but have never heard that. Please let me know. Thanks

Mortice Root wrote:..."To Live Is To Die" from the [And] Justice [For All] album, there are. The line "These are the pale deaths, which men miscall their lives" is directly from TC (early on in LFB, if I remember right).

In LFB, the lines are from the poem by TC (as he walks into town maybe?):
"These are the pale deaths which men miscall their lives.
For all the scent of green things growing,
each breath is but an exhalation of the grave.
Bodies jerk like puppet corpses
and Hell walks laughing."

IIRC.

--A