Kevin's Watch

Orlion wrote:Hmmm... I thought we knew about Foul's Council identity since at least the Second Chronicles...

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I can assure you it wasn't a known "fact" about the Chrons until Roger and the Mahdoubt called him by that name in FR. Edit - Roger stated in FR that a-Jeroth was Foul's Old Lord name.

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TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:

Orlion wrote:Hmmm... I thought we knew about Foul's Council identity since at least the Second Chronicles...

Spoiler

I can assure you it wasn't a known "fact" about the Chrons until Roger and the Mahdoubt called him by that name in FR. Edit - Roger stated in FR that a-Jeroth was Foul's Old Lord name.

That's what it looks like.

Orlion wrote:

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:

Orlion wrote:Hmmm... I thought we knew about Foul's Council identity since at least the Second Chronicles...

Spoiler

I can assure you it wasn't a known "fact" about the Chrons until Roger and the Mahdoubt called him by that name in FR. Edit - Roger stated in FR that a-Jeroth was Foul's Old Lord name.

That's what it looks like.

Yes it does. And it also looks like retconning. And I'm not sure what purpose it serves except to satisfy the fan-base as to Foul's Old Lord name.

Hashi Lebwohl wrote:The "a-Jeroth" name itself seems a little odd. The only people whose names I saw that were ever hyphenated in the First and Second Chronicles were Clave Members with titles such as na-Mhoram-cro. Neither Woodhelvinnin, Stonedowners, nor Haruchai used hyphens. Giants probably should use hyphens, but then their names would be even longer for us poor humans to write or pronounce. The Brathair didn't use them and neither did the Elohim. ur-viles and Waynhim don't have names that humans can pronounce so I don't know if they do but I suspect not.

So where did "a-Jeroth" come from? I have tried anagramming it but I haven't come up with anything useful thus far, either as a different name or a word in English. *shrug* It just appeared in The Wounded Land all of a sudden and just stuck around.

Perhaps the name simply sounded "cool". The syllables do sort of roll off the tongue and have a syncopation to them. Say it with me: a-Jeroth of the Seven Hells.

Yes, it's from a song and it sounds good, although some of Donaldson's songs are not quite fit for singing out loud because the words don't flow.
Donaldson has been good at recycling names, as some of us third Chrons readers have noticed.

Hmmm, there may be more to it than recycling of names such as a-Jeroth, but I can't discuss that here.

I doubt retconned is the right word. Retconned implies that something was changed, in this case it would be added.

Orlion wrote:I doubt retconned is the right word. Retconned implies that something was changed, in this case it would be added.

Well, hmmmm, adding involves changing...

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:

Orlion wrote:I doubt retconned is the right word. Retconned implies that something was changed, in this case it would be added.

Well, hmmmm, adding involves changing...

Nothing was changed as far as the story's concerned. Foul used a name when he was on the Council. We don't know what it is until later. The event, the story didn't change, the reader's knowledge of that event changed. Calling that "retconning" would render the term absurdly meaningless.

Hashi Lebwohl wrote:The "a-Jeroth" name itself seems a little odd. The only people whose names I saw that were hyphenated in the First and Second Chronicles were Clave Members with titles such as na-Mhoram-cro. Neither Woodhelvinnin, Stonedowners, nor Haruchai used hyphens.

Well, that's good. If a-Jeroth is Foul's true name, it should be different than anything else in the Land. After all, he's from outside time, and as an eternal being would probably be called something quite unlike any of the names used by races of the Earth.

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:

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Thanks!

Orlion wrote:

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:

Orlion wrote:I doubt retconned is the right word. Retconned implies that something was changed, in this case it would be added.

Well, hmmmm, adding involves changing...

Nothing was changed as far as the story's concerned. Foul used a name when he was on the Council. We don't know what it is until later. The event, the story didn't change, the reader's knowledge of that event changed. Calling that "retconning" would render the term absurdly meaningless.

And then there's this:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retcon
"Pannenberg's conception of retroactive continuity ultimately means that history flows fundamentally from the future into the past, that the future is not basically a product of the past."