Who are your favourite male and female characters?Okay guys, give: What's with Buffy?
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Bird and Bear and BtVS
Ok, trying to reconstruct our recent convos here. Some of the last messages before the weekend fiasco occured, was B and B venting about how the end of season 6 went. Saying to coming back when calmed down a bit more. She said that Colin had started to like BtVS, too.
My reply had been to offer Bird and Bear my shoulder to cry on about season 6. And I added that many of us had already been through this particular experience.
My reply had been to offer Bird and Bear my shoulder to cry on about season 6. And I added that many of us had already been through this particular experience.
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Thanks taraswizard.....I could've used it then (your shoulder) and I could use it even more now.....I do still intend to give you guys my (thoughts? commentary? something...) on BUffy season 6 and onward....Sorry it's been so long....it's just that I've been spending every free minute lately on my Buffy/Angel obsession.....Very addictive, those shows......And I've just seen the last episode of Angel....Watched the last 4 episodes back to back.....had to get drunk to make it the rest of the way......and I am Sooo not ok right now....
I'll post more when I'm sober, and have had a few days to recuperate...I promise.
I'll post more when I'm sober, and have had a few days to recuperate...I promise.
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I have so much catching up to do, it's not even funny. I've seen up to the end of season 5 of Buffy, and halfway through season 2 of Angel.
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Ohhh man...where do I begin???!! I cannot possibly pick one single moment, so here's my list (most of which you may not agree with, you being a guy, but I'll forgive you for that 
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- James Marsters (Spike) singing "Let me Rest in Peace"
- heck...Any scene with James Marsters
- Any scene with Angelis...he's so hot when he's bad *grin*
- The scene where Oz and Willow wake up together and she's talking in her sleep...he whispers "come back to me..."
- Any scene with Seth Green (Oz) playing the guitar.
That pretty much covers it...since most of the specifics I would get into otherwise would have to do with Spike, Angelis, or Oz playing the guitar *grin*
)- James Marsters (Spike) singing "Let me Rest in Peace"
- heck...Any scene with James Marsters
- Any scene with Angelis...he's so hot when he's bad *grin*
- The scene where Oz and Willow wake up together and she's talking in her sleep...he whispers "come back to me..."
- Any scene with Seth Green (Oz) playing the guitar.
That pretty much covers it...since most of the specifics I would get into otherwise would have to do with Spike, Angelis, or Oz playing the guitar *grin*
"A choice made freely is stronger than one compelled"
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Oh yes..Gart wrote:OK then Darth...for me it has to be when we met vamp-Willow. I'd been thinking that Alyson Hannigan looked cute for months and boy, was I right!
that's great to watch... What about Glory?CovenantJr wrote:Most scenes containing Faith. Other than that, I don't think there's a lot of sexiness in there.
Or maybe when Buffy does that dance with Xander?
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Iryssa
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hehehe...vampy Willow..."can I go play with the puppy?" (poor Angel...)
"Bored now..."
"Bored now..."
"A choice made freely is stronger than one compelled"
- Stephen R. Donaldson's The Wounded Land
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- Stephen R. Donaldson's The Wounded Land
https://www.xanga.com/Iryssa
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Iryssa
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*laugh* Geeze, Darth, what are YOU into? Wait...don't answer that
I loved it when the Vampy Aternate-Reality Willow woke up in the "real" Willow's clothes....
"I'm all fuzzy...agh, this is like a nightmare!!"
I loved it when the Vampy Aternate-Reality Willow woke up in the "real" Willow's clothes....
"I'm all fuzzy...agh, this is like a nightmare!!"
"A choice made freely is stronger than one compelled"
- Stephen R. Donaldson's The Wounded Land
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Okay, guys, I'm back. Sorry it took so long....RL has been kicking my ass for several months now. 
Where on earth to start??
I've seen it all now. From the first season of Buffy to the last season of Angel, and never in my life have I been so profoundly affected by anything I've seen on tv. This world....I can't explain it. I feel as if I know the characters - I love them. Hurt with them, cry with them, laugh with them, triumph and fail with them. I'm as connected with them as I am with any of my favorite literary characters, maybe more. And I do mean hurt. Physically. I've never been physically affected by anything like that before....I mean, I'm a big sap, and I cry at movies all the time....but I just watched The Body again with Colin last night, (My third time, and that's where he is in the show...he's as converted as I am, hopelessly addicted
) and it doesn't get any easier having seen it before. It's not just leaking a few tears like it usually is for me, it's that crushing weight in your chest that actually hurts and makes it hard to breathe. The last few episodes of season 6 were like that too......and I had to get up and run to the bathroom in the middle of A Hole in the World (Angel) thinking I was going to be sick. I wasn't, but it was a near thing... 
So this show blows my fuses like nothing ever has before. And I'm still addicted. I'm watching the whole thing again with Colin, and praying for those rumored movies. A day without Buffy is like a day without sun! Season 6 tore me up in all kinds of ways, (except for the musical, which makes me grin like a fool every time I watch it. 
We watched it last night, in fact, to help us recover from The Body. ) Season 7 was a lot easier to take up until the very end. It felt right, for the end of the show. And Spike's continuing evolution (in season 7) never ceased to amaze me. That too, felt right. were just, sorry, there's no other word for it - KICK A$$ And those LOTR worthy shots in the final episode....well they were awesome too. 
And Angel was just as good. Cordelia's arc of transformation is almost as good as Spike's. And the final season made my skin crawl with every episode.....except for smile time, which was magnificently funny.
I remember, I think it was the 2nd to last episode, and at the end, I turned, half drunk, to my friend, (who came over for moral support - the last few episodes of Angel were as bad for me as the last part of Buffy 6....the sheer terror for the characters I love was debilitating....by this point I had stopped reading spoilers, and was completely in the dark.) and said, And she laughed and asked me if I was trying to convince myself, and I said, "No way. I know what I know. Angel is the man." And then, the way it ended.....It was horrible....but also sooo beautiful. I think it was the perfect way to end a show that should not have ended. I love the idea that it doesn't matter how it comes out, it's the fighting with every last bit of your strength that matters. Reminds me of Mhoram.
My only regrets.....please don't read if you haven't seen the ENTIRE series of Buffy AND Angel.....unless of course you don't intend to.
See, the thing about these characters, (and every other character that I really love) is that they show me in simple terms what I'd like to be. I see all their strengths and weaknesses, and I see myself in them. I can be as cruel as Angelus, as selfish as (early) Spike, as blindly self-serving as Willow, and I know it. But then there's Angel, (later) Spike, and the sweet, sweet flip-side of Willow, and I know I can be those things too. I love that these shows are not afraid to explore the darkest sides of their characters, and to show that those things go hand in hand with all their best aspects. And it's the grace, the humor, the love, and the heroism in them that inspire me to try to bring those things out more in myself. They are all of them, even (maybe especially) the vamps, as human as they come.
Sooo.......end of gush. Any questions?
(How I'd love to try "dissecting" Buffy! )
Where on earth to start?? I've seen it all now. From the first season of Buffy to the last season of Angel, and never in my life have I been so profoundly affected by anything I've seen on tv. This world....I can't explain it. I feel as if I know the characters - I love them. Hurt with them, cry with them, laugh with them, triumph and fail with them. I'm as connected with them as I am with any of my favorite literary characters, maybe more. And I do mean hurt. Physically. I've never been physically affected by anything like that before....I mean, I'm a big sap, and I cry at movies all the time....but I just watched The Body again with Colin last night, (My third time, and that's where he is in the show...he's as converted as I am, hopelessly addicted
) and it doesn't get any easier having seen it before. It's not just leaking a few tears like it usually is for me, it's that crushing weight in your chest that actually hurts and makes it hard to breathe. The last few episodes of season 6 were like that too......and I had to get up and run to the bathroom in the middle of A Hole in the World (Angel) thinking I was going to be sick. I wasn't, but it was a near thing... So this show blows my fuses like nothing ever has before. And I'm still addicted.
I'm watching the whole thing again with Colin, and praying for those rumored movies. A day without Buffy is like a day without sun! Season 6 tore me up in all kinds of ways, (except for the musical, which makes me grin like a fool every time I watch it. We watched it last night, in fact, to help us recover from The Body. ) Season 7 was a lot easier to take up until the very end. It felt right, for the end of the show. And Spike's continuing evolution (in season 7) never ceased to amaze me. Spoiler
I loved the very tender relationship between Spike and Buffy that developed in just the last few episodes.
Spoiler
And the unlocking of the potential slayers, and White Goddess Willow,
And Angel was just as good. Cordelia's arc of transformation is almost as good as Spike's. And the final season made my skin crawl with every episode.....except for smile time, which was magnificently funny.
I remember, I think it was the 2nd to last episode, and at the end, I turned, half drunk, to my friend, (who came over for moral support - the last few episodes of Angel were as bad for me as the last part of Buffy 6....the sheer terror for the characters I love was debilitating....by this point I had stopped reading spoilers, and was completely in the dark.) and said,
Spoiler
"No. I don't believe it. I trust Angel. I will always trust Angel. There's no way. I trust him."
My only regrets.....please don't read if you haven't seen the ENTIRE series of Buffy AND Angel.....unless of course you don't intend to.
Spoiler
Tara - sooo beautiful, as a character, as well as in body. She was my favorite Scooby....I loved her tenderness, and shy awkwardness, and honesty. And her stutter. And her amazing voice.
Doyle - such a sweet guy, didn't last nearly long enough.
Anya - Broke my heart when she went. I felt splashed with cold water.....Spike hardly bothered me at all....I knew he was coming back, so I was able to appreciate the beauty and nobility of his sacrifice without much grief. But Anya.....it was so sudden, and hardly anyone even seemed to notice. I loved her to pieces.
Cordelia - Sweet Cordy! Such a beautiful soul, and gone for so long before she really was. I figured out about halfway through You're Welcome what was going on, and spent the rest of the episode in much sogginess. But she came through for "her boys" in the end, putting Angel back on track with the same straightforward grace I came to love so much....and when she told him goodbye....I was a mess.
Fred - Oh sweet, funny, beautiful Fred. Hers was the one that made me run to the bathroom. I was so completely horrified....her agony, her fear....made me physically ill. And Wesley reading to her from A Little Princess.....oh God that was rough. I loved her from the first episode of season 3, when she was so weird, and drawing on the walls...and absolutely adorable. I really, really loved her, and her death, the way it happened.....
And Wesley - I was at least a little in love with Wes. Rogue Demon Hunter, Wesley Wyndham-Pryce. LOL. It hurt soo much to see him go. I felt the knife twisting in my own guts....and it was the only death that hadn't accidently been spoiled for me. I had no idea, and it was such a shock. But....it was good. If he had to die, he went in battle, like a warrior, and it was right. And when Illyria changed into Fred for him....my heart broke. Again.
Warriors, heroes, all. HAIL!!
Doyle - such a sweet guy, didn't last nearly long enough.
Anya - Broke my heart when she went. I felt splashed with cold water.....Spike hardly bothered me at all....I knew he was coming back, so I was able to appreciate the beauty and nobility of his sacrifice without much grief. But Anya.....it was so sudden, and hardly anyone even seemed to notice. I loved her to pieces.
Cordelia - Sweet Cordy! Such a beautiful soul, and gone for so long before she really was. I figured out about halfway through You're Welcome what was going on, and spent the rest of the episode in much sogginess. But she came through for "her boys" in the end, putting Angel back on track with the same straightforward grace I came to love so much....and when she told him goodbye....I was a mess.
Fred - Oh sweet, funny, beautiful Fred. Hers was the one that made me run to the bathroom. I was so completely horrified....her agony, her fear....made me physically ill. And Wesley reading to her from A Little Princess.....oh God that was rough. I loved her from the first episode of season 3, when she was so weird, and drawing on the walls...and absolutely adorable. I really, really loved her, and her death, the way it happened.....
And Wesley - I was at least a little in love with Wes. Rogue Demon Hunter, Wesley Wyndham-Pryce. LOL. It hurt soo much to see him go. I felt the knife twisting in my own guts....and it was the only death that hadn't accidently been spoiled for me. I had no idea, and it was such a shock. But....it was good. If he had to die, he went in battle, like a warrior, and it was right. And when Illyria changed into Fred for him....my heart broke. Again.
Warriors, heroes, all. HAIL!!
Sooo.......end of gush. Any questions?
(How I'd love to try "dissecting" Buffy!
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Bird and Bear and BtVS gushing
Bird if all your gushing is going to be like that, please go ahead and continue. Even your message got to me some (sniffle). As some already know I got interested in the Whedonverse late, and only got to watching Buffy cause I started watching Angel.
To all interested Juntine Larbalestier, Australian/American SF writer and critic, wrote in 2002 a critical summing up of Buffy. www.justinelarbalestier.com/
Some of the resonances with the film versions of LoTR, the one I like best Angel finale evil wizard says to Illyria 'what can you do you're a little girl?' and Illyria replies 'I am not a little girl'. IMO, this was so like Eowyn's final confrontation with The Witch King. Sorry if that was too spoilery.
I'll be back with more.
To all interested Juntine Larbalestier, Australian/American SF writer and critic, wrote in 2002 a critical summing up of Buffy. www.justinelarbalestier.com/
Some of the resonances with the film versions of LoTR, the one I like best Angel finale evil wizard says to Illyria 'what can you do you're a little girl?' and Illyria replies 'I am not a little girl'. IMO, this was so like Eowyn's final confrontation with The Witch King. Sorry if that was too spoilery.
I'll be back with more.
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Buffy watchers' guides
FWIW, volume 3 of the Buffy watcher's guide is now out and available, probably in most bookstores. As is known, volumes 1 and 2 cover the first four seasons of BtVS, and now volume 3 covers the last three seasons. Additionally, if it matters, volume 3 closes with several critical essays about the series, covering, for instance, the idea of who's a hero in the Buffyverse, or how does BtVS fit into the modern horror oevure. Authors of these essays include Charles deLint, and Nancy Holder.
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Buffy books
OK, I know I am not the only BtVS freak here. Some are recent converts like B&B. Some of you must have read some of the Buffy novels. Which ones and maybe we can discuss a little? For myself, Wisdom of War by C. Golden, Book of Four by N. Holder, Spike and Drew - pretty maids all in a row by C. Golden (FWIW, this is a Buffy novel without Buffy in it), Immortal by Golden and Holder, Monster Island by C. Golden. I liked BoF the best so far. 'Bout three weeks ago at a local used bookstore I picked up a copies of the Gatekeeper triology.
So Buffy novels, folks.
So Buffy novels, folks.