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Geez Zahir, were you a stockholder in the production? Pray tell, what wasn't accurate? And how exactly is pointing out the film's shortcomings (in my opinion) making excuses?

I think you just like disagreeing with me..... 8O
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Actually, I kind of wish disagreeing with you was a professional sport... NDWCA or something. Mucho Dinero.
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Call the USOC, see if we can get it started!
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Since I'm the one who called Cail's criticisms inaccurate, I should clarify this. And be warned--this is full of S P O I L E R S
Cail wrote:Why send a blind girl (with two idiots who don't know the secret) to town? Why not send an elder who already knows what's going on?
Because that violates their rules. You may think their rules are wrong, even silly (nor will I particularly disagree) but the real world is full of people doing exactly that. How many Hindus let their children starve rather than kill and eat a cow?
Blind girl amazingly can find her way through the woods, and escape (and kill) a pursuer. Not only that, she finds her way back.
She is blind, not stupid. She is clever, brave, fiercely determined, and has been given detailed instructions (that road helped a lot btw). She doesn't need to read any written signs, and if she's like blind folks I know her memory for little telling details would be highly developed--judging distances, for example. She would probably feel the sun in the sky and tell in which direction it was setting. She'd be able to backtrack the way she went with great accuracy, etc.

As for defeating Noah, she was lucky but also clever, and had a huge advantage--Noah, although sly in his way, was also pretty clearly retarded.
Blind girl realizes the town's secret by walking into a shed and touching a "claw", which for all she knew could've been a piece of wood.
She has lived all her life with the awareness of Those-We-Do-Not-Talk-Of, and that has included descriptions of what they are like. She can touch something and recognize it as a claw. There is nothing else in her experience that has an appendage like that. This could have been set up better, sure, but it still works.
The modern-day greenhouse and the tarps were silly.
Don't even understand this one. Sorry. Why was it silly, given the premise of the flick?
How the hell did Noah get out of the room this time, but no others, and how in the hell did he find Ivy in the woods?
What makes you think he'd never gone out of that room before? And Ivy didn't try to hide her passage, including her wearing a yellow cloak. Noah is retarded, not totally witless. He can follow tracks, and he had over a full day to find Ivy in woods he already knew well. Why shouldn't he be able to catch up with her?
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Well I never finished it so I don't know. I do know I had to pay the store a whopping 8 dollars in late fees tho... :evil: Funny how you get attached to movies that a, seeming, majority either don't like or understand--I might try to see it again--but I know how you feel Zahir: I'll probably go to my grave defending Event Horizon and In The Mouth of Madness. 8)
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Egads! Don't go to the grave defending them, or your apt to find yourself in some awful afterlife.

Really though, They were both a whole lot of fun to watch (Event Horizon and In The Mouth of Madness, not The village). Especially ITMOM. That was the bomb-diggity, to borrow from the popular vernacular :o)
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Zahir wrote:
Cail wrote:Why send a blind girl (with two idiots who don't know the secret) to town? Why not send an elder who already knows what's going on?
Because that violates their rules. You may think their rules are wrong, even silly (nor will I particularly disagree) but the real world is full of people doing exactly that. How many Hindus let their children starve rather than kill and eat a cow?
Ummmmm, it's "against the rules" for ANYONE to go to town. It makes no narrative sense to send the person with the least likely chance in the village. Gee, but it adds suspense to the movie and sets up.....

Zahir wrote:
Cail wrote: Blind girl amazingly can find her way through the woods, and escape (and kill) a pursuer. Not only that, she finds her way back.
She is blind, not stupid. She is clever, brave, fiercely determined, and has been given detailed instructions (that road helped a lot btw). She doesn't need to read any written signs, and if she's like blind folks I know her memory for little telling details would be highly developed--judging distances, for example. She would probably feel the sun in the sky and tell in which direction it was setting. She'd be able to backtrack the way she went with great accuracy, etc.
Yes, she is blind and in the woods where she's never been before running full tilt without a cane or stick and miraculously doesn't smash into a tree and finds her way there and back. Sorry, that's just insulting to the audience.

I'll respond to the rest without quotes for brevity....You downplay Noah's cunning on one hand because he's retarded, then praise his cunning for being able to track through the woods. Chalk it up to an inconsistantly written character. He had no problem trying to kill Lucius yet he couldn't off a blind girl in the woods?

As far as the shed scene, how did she know she was feeling a claw? Could it not have been a smooth stick? How about a piece of bone jewelry? Way too much of a leap there.

The greenhouse and the tarp (complete with its metal grommets) were anachronistic, that was all I was saying.

Hey, we've all got our own taste, I love some truly dreadful movies (Nothing But Trouble comes to mind), to each their own.
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