Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:17 pm
I had to read "Wheel of Time" in elementary school. I couldnt even mention it in the same sentence of JRRT or SRD.
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The similarities are basically skin deep, but for the simple fan who doesn't know how to look deeper, they see this:Edge wrote:Exactly what did SRD 'borrow' from JRRT? Enquiring minds want to know.
But more sales also give SRD more power vis a vis the publisher and (I hope) make it more likely we'll see more fantasy from him in the future. Plus, since I loved SRD's work, a part of me would liek to see others enjoy it, too. Last, maybe if SRD becomes more popular, we'll see less crap fantasy b/c publishers will realize that intelligent authors can sell, too.JemCheeta wrote:I don't care if he doesn't get a single new reader, to be honest. I mean, I hope he does, but I always got the impression that he was finishing the series both for himself, and for us... those that need to see the story come to its end.
HAHAHAHAHA!Can you imagine an Ent saying, "Joy is in the ears that hear"? They're much more likely to say, "Hm, Hoom, Haaaa-rumph"
Not to say that there haven't been deceitful Lords at any time in the Council's known or rumoured history. There was this Lord called Foul, once. . . .burgs66 wrote:Thaale, I was referring specifically to Saruman.
I'm not going to bother researching the CPI, the average hardback price in 1982 (e.g.), and the average hardback price today, but my off-the-cuff impression is that this is totally inapplicable to hardbacks. IIRC, back in 1982 The One Tree was $15.99? And Runes is $26.95. Adjusting for inflation, I think Runes would be a little cheaper.1. Book prices. As Donald Maass, the well-known agent, has repeatedly said, 'Prices have gone up; unit sales have gone down. Doesn't anybody get this?' It's a lot more difficult to sell two million copies of any book — the kind of numbers the First and Second Chronicles got — than it was in the early 1980s.
Just to fill in the chinks in the above account with some information you personally seem aware of but some others might not be, there had been a very aggressive fantasy presence in the market from the late 60s to the mid 70s: the Ballantine Adult Fantasy series, edited by Lin Carter. It had been in the late 1960s that TLOTR simply exploded on college campuses and in the mainstream, and it didn't take Ballantine or other publishers 10 years to try to start capitalizing on the new demand for epic fantasy!2. Vast increase in the competition. When the First Chronicles were published in 1977, there was no commercial fantasy genre. None. There was Tolkien, who was considered entirely sui generis; there were various Sword & Sorcery authors, published in small editions by disreputable paperback houses (hello, Ace Books and DAW); there were kids' fantasy books; but nothing aimed at the mainstream (i.e. commercial) adult audience.
Just before that year, Lester del Rey took over Ballantine Books' ailing fantasy imprint and bet the farm on his hunch that there was a huge audience for imitations of Tolkien. (It's an amazing testimony to the ineptitude of Ballantine that their fantasy program was ailing, considering that they had the U.S. paperback rights to all of Tolkien's books, but they somehow managed it.)
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Brooks and Donaldson were the very first writers for adults who followed in the footsteps of Tolkien. If you wanted to read epic fantasy in 1977, you had about a dozen books to choose from: The Hobbit, LOTR, a few obscure titles by Lord Dunsany and E.R. Eddison, and the five books listed above.
I read something here relating to LC, but now I can't remember what. Anyway, I'm not sure he did the BAF stuff well, but he did do it.2. Lin Carter's experience was disastrous (ask SRD)
Sounds right, at least as far as the later books. I do remember seeing display ads in the book section of the newspaper for WGW. Did Runes have those?3. In my recollection, WGW was a #1 bestseller. I believe that TWL and TOT were also #1 bestsellers, but I could be wrong.
The later GRRM books will probably hit higher than earlier works even if they sell fewer copies. That's been the pattern with Jordan, Goodkind, etc. The early books may sell more copies overall, but naturally a first novel isn't going to debut at #1. I'm pretty sure the past few Jordan books have entered at #1 on the list their first full week, then dropped to like #17, then out of the top 50 altogether, within two or three weeks. Whereas book #2 might peak at #125 or something but sell well for a year or two.4. George Martin has yet to crack the top 10 on the NYT bestseller list, and he's writing first rate fantasy. Hacks like Salvatore are. It's a sad state.