[quote="Nerdanel"]I don't know how it could be possible that Lord Foul's words are coming true right now but not in the way that he wanted. I expect that things will eventually turn out fairly happily or at least not entirely sadly but I don't think everything can be fine re: Jeremiah at this point.
Unless Jeremiah has a hidden condition that will kill him in a nasty way unless Linden finds a cure or the Jeremiah Linden sees is not the real Jeremiah, I see no way out him currently serving Lord Foul somehow. The options were 1) to die in torment or 2) to serve Lord Foul, and the former doesn't look to be the case. Jeremiah doesn't act like he is in pain and the Demondim retreat to allow him pass by unharmed. Of the ways in which Jeremiah could serve Foul, I think possession sounds just like the thing.[/quote]
Lord Fouls words were not time dependant. He did not say "your son will die or serve me......... CURRENTLY...". His words may come true in a variety of ways as the next three books unfold. TC was warned by Foul at the beginning of book one of the second chronicles, but Foul's truth only came to pass at the end of book 3. What makes you think his words are coming true right now.
The Demondim were advancing on the riders who had opened a gap between themselves and their pursuers, the Demondin DO NOT retreat or allow anyone to pass, the riders are simply outpacing them.
My own view is that serving someone whilst possessed is not service, that has to be the result of a choice. Although it may change this time round, the need for actions to be by free choice, has been a core value in the chronicles and one which is needed for Foul's will and objectives to be achieved.
In the earlier chronicles, Covenant has seen the paths leading to the choices he will be asked to make and variously grasped the nettle, bluffed and reversed the choices back onto Foul, Jeremiah may well do the same. Foul may be served in a number of ways, Foul was served by Covenant saving Sunder. Foul thought he'd be served by Covenant in the Bane-fire, but was mistaken as Covenant saw another path. There are many ways to serve Foul not all of them are necessarily evil and few if any (IMO) involve possession by Foul.
I thought that Foul used mainly Ravers to do the actual possessing anyway?
Quote ROTE:
Chapter 4 Old Friends:
'Which shall I perform?' he mused cruelly. 'Would it harm you more to observe him in my service, or to witness his death in torment?' He laughed harder. 'Wretched woman! I do not reveal my aims to such as you."
Then:
'Yet this I vow. In time you will behold the fruit of my endeavours. If your son serves me, he will do so in your presence. If I slaughter him, I will do so before you. Think on that when you seek to retrieve him from me. If you discover him, you will only hasten his doom...................'
A lawyer might point out that there are a lot of 'ifs' and questions as opposed to outright statements, these seem more intention, which if they come to pass will be enacted in a certain way rather than prophecies.
Come what may, Jeremiah would not be serving him if possessed, but merely be a tool being used by him, he has to use free will to make a choice to serve, to make it count.
Jeremiah *Potential Spoilers*
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you all make perfect sense except i'm still not convinced. thanks for reminding me of what Foul said to Linden, your logic makes sense on this, but i just can't make the leap yet. i know, i know, i'm being obstinate. 
you're more advanced than a cockroach,
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
finn...just copy the text, paste it, highlight it, and hit the quote button underneath the subject line. makes a lovely little box around the text. now...Just can't get my head around these quote things or italics....damn new fangled .....
Spoiler
how do you do the spoiler thingy??
oh finn, you and i were posting at the same time so my response did not include your post. i think you and i are going down the same path in our thinking on jeremiah.
you're more advanced than a cockroach,
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
I used to think Joan and Roger in the "real world" were possessed by Ravers but it turns out the possessor was Lord Foul (who apparently can be in more than one place at once).
The following Gradual Interview piece proved very enlightening to me:
I image Jeremiah's possession probably could be somewhat along the lines that Lord Foul might not necessarily directly control Jeremiah's physical actions but can coerce him to do things by mental torment and. This could be a little like an uncharitable interpretation of the Biblical Jeremiah. However at this point guesses like this are pretty much nothing more than just guesses. Perhaps Lord Foul can possess Jeremiah totally but does not wish to because he isn't that good at pretending to be a young boy. The degree of possession is very much in the air and could be different at different times.
An another thing entirely is why not Lord Foul would not make Jeremiah into his tool? Jeremiah has no white gold to complicate matters.
The following Gradual Interview piece proved very enlightening to me:
Also, remember the possession of Anele.SRD wrote:I see "possession" ("entering") as operating along a continuum which ranges from "merely whispering nearly-inaudible suggestions" to "complete control." And on that continuum, the degree to which Lord Foul can enter a mind in the "real world" is severely limited to the low end. He couldn't do it all until the structures of Law which sustain the Land began to break down. And he still can't assume control: he can only whisper persuasively. (The Ravers can't do this at all to a mind in the "real world": only LF is that powerful. When Linden feels turiya in Joan's mind, Joan is already dead; already in the Land.)
I image Jeremiah's possession probably could be somewhat along the lines that Lord Foul might not necessarily directly control Jeremiah's physical actions but can coerce him to do things by mental torment and. This could be a little like an uncharitable interpretation of the Biblical Jeremiah. However at this point guesses like this are pretty much nothing more than just guesses. Perhaps Lord Foul can possess Jeremiah totally but does not wish to because he isn't that good at pretending to be a young boy. The degree of possession is very much in the air and could be different at different times.
An another thing entirely is why not Lord Foul would not make Jeremiah into his tool? Jeremiah has no white gold to complicate matters.
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