Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:45 pm
[quote="Nerdanel"]I don't know how it could be possible that Lord Foul's words are coming true right now but not in the way that he wanted. I expect that things will eventually turn out fairly happily or at least not entirely sadly but I don't think everything can be fine re: Jeremiah at this point.
Unless Jeremiah has a hidden condition that will kill him in a nasty way unless Linden finds a cure or the Jeremiah Linden sees is not the real Jeremiah, I see no way out him currently serving Lord Foul somehow. The options were 1) to die in torment or 2) to serve Lord Foul, and the former doesn't look to be the case. Jeremiah doesn't act like he is in pain and the Demondim retreat to allow him pass by unharmed. Of the ways in which Jeremiah could serve Foul, I think possession sounds just like the thing.[/quote]
Lord Fouls words were not time dependant. He did not say "your son will die or serve me......... CURRENTLY...". His words may come true in a variety of ways as the next three books unfold. TC was warned by Foul at the beginning of book one of the second chronicles, but Foul's truth only came to pass at the end of book 3. What makes you think his words are coming true right now.
The Demondim were advancing on the riders who had opened a gap between themselves and their pursuers, the Demondin DO NOT retreat or allow anyone to pass, the riders are simply outpacing them.
My own view is that serving someone whilst possessed is not service, that has to be the result of a choice. Although it may change this time round, the need for actions to be by free choice, has been a core value in the chronicles and one which is needed for Foul's will and objectives to be achieved.
In the earlier chronicles, Covenant has seen the paths leading to the choices he will be asked to make and variously grasped the nettle, bluffed and reversed the choices back onto Foul, Jeremiah may well do the same. Foul may be served in a number of ways, Foul was served by Covenant saving Sunder. Foul thought he'd be served by Covenant in the Bane-fire, but was mistaken as Covenant saw another path. There are many ways to serve Foul not all of them are necessarily evil and few if any (IMO) involve possession by Foul.
I thought that Foul used mainly Ravers to do the actual possessing anyway?
Quote ROTE:
Chapter 4 Old Friends:
'Which shall I perform?' he mused cruelly. 'Would it harm you more to observe him in my service, or to witness his death in torment?' He laughed harder. 'Wretched woman! I do not reveal my aims to such as you."
Then:
'Yet this I vow. In time you will behold the fruit of my endeavours. If your son serves me, he will do so in your presence. If I slaughter him, I will do so before you. Think on that when you seek to retrieve him from me. If you discover him, you will only hasten his doom...................'
A lawyer might point out that there are a lot of 'ifs' and questions as opposed to outright statements, these seem more intention, which if they come to pass will be enacted in a certain way rather than prophecies.
Come what may, Jeremiah would not be serving him if possessed, but merely be a tool being used by him, he has to use free will to make a choice to serve, to make it count.
Unless Jeremiah has a hidden condition that will kill him in a nasty way unless Linden finds a cure or the Jeremiah Linden sees is not the real Jeremiah, I see no way out him currently serving Lord Foul somehow. The options were 1) to die in torment or 2) to serve Lord Foul, and the former doesn't look to be the case. Jeremiah doesn't act like he is in pain and the Demondim retreat to allow him pass by unharmed. Of the ways in which Jeremiah could serve Foul, I think possession sounds just like the thing.[/quote]
Lord Fouls words were not time dependant. He did not say "your son will die or serve me......... CURRENTLY...". His words may come true in a variety of ways as the next three books unfold. TC was warned by Foul at the beginning of book one of the second chronicles, but Foul's truth only came to pass at the end of book 3. What makes you think his words are coming true right now.
The Demondim were advancing on the riders who had opened a gap between themselves and their pursuers, the Demondin DO NOT retreat or allow anyone to pass, the riders are simply outpacing them.
My own view is that serving someone whilst possessed is not service, that has to be the result of a choice. Although it may change this time round, the need for actions to be by free choice, has been a core value in the chronicles and one which is needed for Foul's will and objectives to be achieved.
In the earlier chronicles, Covenant has seen the paths leading to the choices he will be asked to make and variously grasped the nettle, bluffed and reversed the choices back onto Foul, Jeremiah may well do the same. Foul may be served in a number of ways, Foul was served by Covenant saving Sunder. Foul thought he'd be served by Covenant in the Bane-fire, but was mistaken as Covenant saw another path. There are many ways to serve Foul not all of them are necessarily evil and few if any (IMO) involve possession by Foul.
I thought that Foul used mainly Ravers to do the actual possessing anyway?
Quote ROTE:
Chapter 4 Old Friends:
'Which shall I perform?' he mused cruelly. 'Would it harm you more to observe him in my service, or to witness his death in torment?' He laughed harder. 'Wretched woman! I do not reveal my aims to such as you."
Then:
'Yet this I vow. In time you will behold the fruit of my endeavours. If your son serves me, he will do so in your presence. If I slaughter him, I will do so before you. Think on that when you seek to retrieve him from me. If you discover him, you will only hasten his doom...................'
A lawyer might point out that there are a lot of 'ifs' and questions as opposed to outright statements, these seem more intention, which if they come to pass will be enacted in a certain way rather than prophecies.
Come what may, Jeremiah would not be serving him if possessed, but merely be a tool being used by him, he has to use free will to make a choice to serve, to make it count.
