Kevin's Watch

Edge wrote:

CovenantJr wrote:

ChoChiyo wrote:Did I ever tell you about the time I bet my (male) cousin he could not hit the wire of the (electric) fence with his pee?

Turned out he could....

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Never set a man a peeing challenge. He will win. Our pee is very versatile.

I'm not sure peeing on an electric fence could be considered as winning... well, maybe a Darwin award.

I was shocked that he was able to do it. Not as much as he was, it turns out. We were both about 7, I think. I had a lot of penis envy then--because it seemed like it would be a lot more convenient (as opposed to having to get half naked to pee) and fun (kinda like a bionic squirt gun).

Heh heh.

I should mention that we grew up on a farm at the end of a loooong driveway, and we had lots of cousins that came to the farm to play. It was a long way back to the house, so the great outdoors was kinda a great outhouse to us kids.

(Sigh) Wish I could write MY name in the snow. Of course I'd have to get some damn snow first.

You'd think the novelty would wear off... but it really doesn't.

Edge wrote:You'd think the novelty would wear off... but it really doesn't.

I am SO ENVIOUS of that ability. I always fall down when shuffling along with my snowsuit around my ankles trying to write my name in the snow.

heheheheh

Having tried it

1) because it was there
2) as physical pleasure
3) with closeness and caring
4) as part of a transcendant relationship

I have definitely scratched the first two off my list. Empty, not worth it.

(Fist, that comment was priceless)

Loremaster, Foul, you both want the better side of sex or nothing. That makes you a prize for a woman worth waiting for.

...The sex act..obviously is different for each sex. The physical and emotional needs and expressions are different. Take notice of the universal symbols for our two sexes.
...The advice and perspective of the opposite sex while warranted, of great value, educational, of great interest, good to know,,only adds to the fear factor for the uniniated. Of course, before anybody goes ballistic,, i can only assume that comment applies indiscriminently.

...As suggested in above posts and elsewhere,,sex is as evolutionary as anything else in ones life. One has to start somewhere. Getting "good" at it is a judgement beheld by the opposite partner. The paradox is..while a "judgement" is of the opposite partner ,,its the direct result of ones attention to the partners needs combined with ones own.Now expand that out to both partners participation and you may see what i am getting at. Its kinda like getting a black belt in karate..earning a black belt is only saying , now you are ready to get really serious. When both partners work for the other....thats just the beginning

...So,,waiting around for the rite person,,sorry that ain't male. Get out there and find the rite person. Broken hearts may follow and don't follow the prejudice that only woman get their hearts broken. It can happen to you.Like anytrhing else in life , sex is what you make it.
.. Be honest and careful but " Be". Acknowledge your naturalness, be all the beast you can be and worry about refinement when your partner civilizes you. But get started for goodness sakes. Time waits for no one....MEL

lurch wrote:...The sex act..obviously is different for each sex. The physical and emotional needs and expressions are different.

Actually, they're different for each person.

,,Dragon...,Just as Life is an individual experience..so we're rite back at the begining. Here it is,,,,sex can become,,just another,,expression of many many expressions between two people,,sex can become a pinnacle of expressions between two people in their lives. The old adage of becoming "one" just doesn't happen over one nite.

,,But...there has to be sex between two to begin with. From my perspective,,sex is part of an overall relationship. As any relationship is, its an exploration of Life.....MEL

That's the most reasonable thing I've heard you say on the subject, Lurch. From my point of view, of course. *hand shake*

lurch wrote:.

...So,,waiting around for the rite person,,sorry that ain't male. Get out there and find the rite person. Broken hearts may follow and don't follow the prejudice that only woman get their hearts broken. It can happen to you.Like anytrhing else in life , sex is what you make it.
.. Be honest and careful but " Be". Acknowledge your naturalness, be all the beast you can be and worry about refinement when your partner civilizes you. But get started for goodness sakes. Time waits for no one....MEL

Two things in this post scare me.

Seriously.

One is "That ain't male" [to wait around for the right person].

The second is "be all the beast you can be and worry about refinement when your partner civilizes you."


Perhaps you didn't mean it this way, but it sounds like you are encouraging young men to be like animals going out to blindly savage any vagina they come across. The implied message is--it's up to the FEMALE to protect herself, both her physical body and her heart. Do what you gotta do. Say what you gotta say, but just get out there, young man, and get into somebody's pants.

Be an animal rampaging freely throughout the female population until some woman is able to grab you by the gonads and train you to behave like a civilized human being.

The reason this scares me is that it encourages men to view women as "objects" to be collected or "prey" to stalk and conquer.

It makes it sound like the woman is the guardian at the gates to paradise, and it is the man's job to batter down those gates and get those golden apples. Or perhaps cherries in this case.

I seriously feel sick to my stomach after reading that.

It goes back to my comment about treating women like a temporary penis storage device.

It really isn't the woman's job to civilize the man. It is the man's (and the woman's) responsibility to BE CIVILIZED.


If you think the advice and perspective of the opposite sex just adds to the fear factor of the uninitiated male--just imagine what THIS advice has done to the uninitiated FEMALE!!

EW.

Mel, you don't seem like an ignorant lout in the posts you make (despite your horrific spelling ), so I am going to assume that you did NOT mean it in this way.

Indescriminate sexual hijinx will do a lot more than break the heart of either sex. It is empty and shallow and will leave the lonely man (or woman) feeling even more empty and alone than before. And that doesn't even touch the subjects of unplanned pregnancy and STDs.

If we are going with the beast image, the male animal generally impregnates as many females as it can, then takes off to leave the nurturing and raising of the cubs to the woman. Are you going to advise this too, in instructing the young in how to become sexually active?

Eek.

Nothing but love for you, Mel, but, as an uninitiated female, this advice leaves me cold and horrified.

..Cho...Nope...I am encourging when In The Sex Act..to be all the beast one can be..to drop , forget, let go, all the hang ups , fears, trepidation,,etc..and just be into the Here and Now..the act of having sex.
...Please Cho....you are on the verge of " stereotypical" labelling me. And in that, you are enforcing a stereotypical perspective of young woman. Any woman for that matter. No , all women are not victims. No,,not all woman are virginous. No, not all woman are dumb blondes who , opps, slept with your brother..etc. So, no, all men aren't neaderthals clubbing the heads of their lusts desire.
...The energy is there. Our bodys and Minds make the energy and are influenced by the energy. Exploration of what its all about begins and continues for both sexes. Its not all pleasure and its not all pain...well in most cases..anyway...The attitude towards sex has been influenced heavily by the liberated woman movement or awakening..imho. Cho..you missed my subtle..being all the beast you can be applys to the Female as well. And there is the paradox i reference to..two people, letting it all go, being all the beast they can be..are likley to have the finest. most fullfilling sexual relationship two humans can have..which does influence all the rest of their relationship....

Please Cho..I am not making a personal assault,,( besides on the one who raised the Virgin Male issue in the first place) on anybody with my posts. I do not pressume to know everyones life history. Again, we all make decisions and deal with the consequences..thats life. Yet for my efforts to balance out the female perspective around here, all I 've got is alot of labeling and stereotypical hysterics. Well..now that you all got the easy stuff done with,,lets start lifting the heavy stuff around...Love and Kisses To All The Women Out There ....MEL

Mel--Like I said, I didn't think you were an ignorant lout. And I also said, I assumed you didn't mean what it sounded like (to me.) But I had to make sure.

I really didn't intend to label or stereotype you. I'm just saying this is what it sounded like to me--while also saying that I didn't have a sense that you were like this in your previous posts.

I'm glad you clarified your position. I understand what you mean in your above post about letting go of inhibitions and enjoying the physical nature of the sexual act.

That I can agree with. When a person does choose to have sex, they should be relaxed and feel free to enjoy it.

I could give you a lecture on the use of the word "hysterics" to describe women's reactions...but nah...

heh heh heh

Nothing but love for you, Mel, seriously.

Cho.

Of course, there are entire sections of Civil and Criminal Law built on the idea that:

the woman is the guardian at the gates to paradise, and it is the man's job to batter down those gates and get those golden apples. Or perhaps cherries in this case.

...but I'm glad it turns your stomach too, Cho.

Waiting around for the right person isn't male?

You honestly believe an entire half of the world's population are that alike? Twenty-five billion people, or thereabouts, are fundamentally identical in character, emotion and perception? In needs, desires and standards?

...I believe in the Bell Curve. Apply the statistical to the population of humans with penis and testicles. I believe, easily 60 percent, the middle of the curve, whether they consciously know it or not,,go foward,,actively seek encounters, say "Hi" to a complete unknown to them stranger,,the 10 to 20 percent on each side of the curve, represent less and further aggressive behavoir, but still within the parameters of normal male. The further edges of the curve again, represent further extreme in the population and the related lesser quanity of...So yes..most males exhibit basic behavior that reflect needs and wants attributed to being male.

The universal symbol for male is the circle with arrow protruding outward. There is an "aggression'' implied. Go foward..or boldly go..The Male..Now..its my belief women recognize that ...And....choose accordingly from the place in curve that meets their needs and wants....MEL

Lurch, you place way too much importance and emphasis on sex. It's not healthy, and it's at least borderline obsessive.

...I think Sex is a great metaphor for Life.....MEL

Lurch, I agree completely. I'll have to post more when I'm not at work.

lurch wrote:...I think Sex is a great metaphor for Life.....MEL

So is Starcraft. And Pacman.

And gardening. And knitting. And pottery. And labyrinths. Also hurdling, mathematics, surfing, poker, music, skydiving, writing, bungee-jumping, astronomy and the proper care of llamas.

What's your point?

I'm with you on this, Edge. I don't understand the pivotal significance of sex in all of Lurch's discussions.