Lost Season 3

[sindatur]

Flash Forwards - Right now, I'm not willing to go "Out there" with an explanation of them. In the Series Finale S6 Ep 16 (or possibly a little bit before) rescue will show up (or the last person will be dead). At this point, people will want to know what happened in the life of everyone after the finale. Since a Season 7 without the island, would be a completely different show, and the masses wouldn't want to watch, because the masses aren't in it for the characters, they are in it for the island mysteries, the writers need to get those epilogues to us before they get rescue. Therefore, ratehr than flashbacks, we are now seeing that epilogue spliced in between the island scenes. I don't think the characters are experiencing them (or the flashbacks for that matter) as they occur, they just explain the characters motivations in the flashbacks, and the flashforwards show what the characters lives will be after the show ends. Now, wether these are the written in stone futures, or merely the future they are currently headed for I haven't decided yet. When Desmond gets his flashes of the future, he goes all trance-y looking, I see no evidence of that with anyone else.

Guns, Regarding Jeremy Bentham, those I have seen post their findings from blowing up the obit, actually think it's Ja, not Je (Could be James, KT, good call). I think Kate may be talking about a son, not a man that is waiting for her at home.

Jack's Dad, he was trying to write himself a perscription, easy enough to believe he was lying about his dad being alive, and when he made the "If I'm drunker..." comment, I felt the Dr. was looking at him like he was crazy. Neither of these events verified Christian is still alive, but, they hid the fact that this was a flash forward, not a flashback (Other than the fact we've seen so much of Jack's prior life he couldn't possibly have enough past left to look that ragged out and aged, and wouldn't be able to handle the drinks in the airport and the drink on the plane, plus he went through no detox whatsoever on the island, like Charlie did). Wanting to get back to the island and the mistake, I think is as simple as he realized he can't handle life in the real world, and the only place he ever felt in control was on the island.

Locke - "Not supposed to do that" doesn't have to mean he knows from a flash of the future what comes of it, he could've been told by Jacob, not to allow it to happen, because it will bring Dharma back for their revenge. Obviously they originally did something to piss off the inhabitants, since Ben said they were looking for Utopia, but, couldn't even live in harmony with the natives. John Locke may have been more willing to kill Anthony Cooper himself if the island/Jacob told him to, so not too much of a stretch to believe he killed Naomi because the island didn't want the phone call made.

[sindatur]

Charlie was empowered by the surety of his fate. He knew that no matter what else occurred he'd save both Claire and Aaron as Desmond predicted.

I have a bad feeling that Claire and Aaron getting on that chopper is not the good thing it's made out to be at the moment. If it's the wrong people piloting that chopper, it could be a very bad thing.

[A Gunslinger]

Could very well be bad. But a parallel universe might be good for someand bad for others...Kate for example may not be a fugitive in a parallel dimension.

[sindatur]

Parallel Universe doesn't feel right to me, when considering Jack (and everyone else) was given a "Gold ticket" to make up for the crash and being stranded on the island. How does that work in logically?

I just think LOST throws stuff out there, that makes things look wild and way out there, and then the real answer is so simple.

Purgatory theory, despite how many times it was denied was still gaining ground in S3, and was again denied in the "Answers" recap, and people were posting like crazy yesterday about "What happened to all the 'They're dead' clues", why did they decide to change the story and stretch it 3 more seasons"?

[A Gunslinger]

I can't quite reconcile the "gold ticket" thing yet, except to suggest that it might be a hush-bribe of some kind designed to get them not to talk about the crash at all.

A Parallel Universe could also explain:

1) Injuries/diseases that heal
2) The fact that Charlie's band was much more sucessful (according to Naomi).
3) The fact that they were found and all declared dead (how do you fake THAT?).

It could be a more mundane explanation, such as that Naomi is working for Widmore, and came to the island only to kill Desmond. She lied about the finding of the plane, etc. Somehow Kate manages to keep running and hiding in plain sight and that the mistake Jack talks about is that they left SOME folks behind. Could be.

But given the quasi-mysrical nature of Smoky/the Island, I think more is at work here.

[sindatur]

I can't quite reconcile the "gold ticket" thing yet, except to suggest that it might be a hush-bribe of some kind designed to get them not to talk about the crash at all.

A Parallel Universe could also explain:

1) Injuries/diseases that heal
2) The fact that Charlie's band was much more sucessful (according to Naomi).
3) The fact that they were found and all declared dead (how do you fake THAT?).

It could be a more mundane explanation, such as that Naomi is working for Widmore, and came to the island only to kill Desmond. She lied about the finding of the plane, etc. Somehow Kate manages to keep running and hiding in plain sight and that the mistake Jack talks about is that they left SOME folks behind. Could be.

But given the quasi-mysrical nature of Smoky/the Island, I think more is at work here.

How does a parallel universe heal injuries in the same universe?

Many bands become successful after the death of a member

One of the peripheral websites (run by Disney/ABC, not Bad Robot, so who knows how reliable) showed Dharma or Hanso buying out Oceanic, so, that makes the faking much easier, especially since the plane is in a several miles deep trench, so no one has actually physically gone down and recovered anything. If the Government is hooked into Dharma, and it's not just private enterprise, that makes it even easier to fake, and could also explain Kate being given amnesty (Or she may still have some of those dead women's passports). I think more is at work in general, but, not here.

[ItisWritten]

It could be a more mundane explanation, such as that Naomi is working for Widmore, and came to the island only to kill Desmond. She lied about the finding of the plane, etc. Somehow Kate manages to keep running and hiding in plain sight and that the mistake Jack talks about is that they left SOME folks behind. Could be.

Could be a lot of things. Jack seems to regret leaving the island period. Why else would he wish to crash on it again? If he left people behind, he'd be trying to fix the problem. Jack needs diversions from his life, which is usually a mess, such as the accident that drew him away from suicide.

Cooper believed Locke was dead because he was on 815, so that places the lie about the plane above Naomi. Kill Desmond? I doubt her role was so specific. She did speak to Mikhail in Italian(?), which she never spoke again, and her English was unaccented. If she was delirious from her wound and speaking her native language to Mikhail, why did she talk to Hurley in English? I'm so glad Mikhail ain't dead, 'cause I want to know what she said.

[ItisWritten]

Who was in that coffin?

Taking the assumption that it must be a character we already know (it might not be, but that would be cheating IMO), which of the ones that Jack would feel responsible for would have no one show up?

That leaves out Hurley, Jin and Sun (wrong type of funeral, too), Bernard and Rose. I think I'm forgetting someone.

Claire might stay in LA, but she'd more likely return to Australia. Desmond would go back to Britain. Jack wouldn't shed a tear over Ben or go suicidal over any of the Others.

Sawyer is a possibility, but I think it's Locke. He wouldn't have wanted to leave, and we've already seen that he's suicidal. That would make Jack feel responsible.

[sindatur]

It could be a more mundane explanation, such as that Naomi is working for Widmore, and came to the island only to kill Desmond. She lied about the finding of the plane, etc. Somehow Kate manages to keep running and hiding in plain sight and that the mistake Jack talks about is that they left SOME folks behind. Could be.

Could be a lot of things. Jack seems to regret leaving the island period. Why else would he wish to crash on it again? If he left people behind, he'd be trying to fix the problem. Jack needs diversions from his life, which is usually a mess, such as the accident that drew him away from suicide.

Cooper believed Locke was dead because he was on 815, so that places the lie about the plane above Naomi. Kill Desmond? I doubt her role was so specific. She did speak to Mikhail in Italian(?), which she never spoke again, and her English was unaccented. If she was delirious from her wound and speaking her native language to Mikhail, why did she talk to Hurley in English? I'm so glad Mikhail ain't dead, 'cause I want to know what she said.

Well, her English was English accented, not American.

[sindatur]

Who was in that coffin?

Taking the assumption that it must be a character we already know (it might not be, but that would be cheating IMO), which of the ones that Jack would feel responsible for would have no one show up?

That leaves out Hurley, Jin and Sun (wrong type of funeral, too), Bernard and Rose. I think I'm forgetting someone.

Claire might stay in LA, but she'd more likely return to Australia. Desmond would go back to Britain. Jack wouldn't shed a tear over Ben or go suicidal over any of the Others.

Sawyer is a possibility, but I think it's Locke. He wouldn't have wanted to leave, and we've already seen that he's suicidal. That would make Jack feel responsible.

It was a flash forward, why would it be cheating that we haven't met the character yet?

[A Gunslinger]

It could be a more mundane explanation, such as that Naomi is working for Widmore, and came to the island only to kill Desmond. She lied about the finding of the plane, etc. Somehow Kate manages to keep running and hiding in plain sight and that the mistake Jack talks about is that they left SOME folks behind. Could be.

Could be a lot of things. Jack seems to regret leaving the island period. Why else would he wish to crash on it again? If he left people behind, he'd be trying to fix the problem. Jack needs diversions from his life, which is usually a mess, such as the accident that drew him away from suicide.

Cooper believed Locke was dead because he was on 815, so that places the lie about the plane above Naomi. Kill Desmond? I doubt her role was so specific. She did speak to Mikhail in Italian(?), which she never spoke again, and her English was unaccented. If she was delirious from her wound and speaking her native language to Mikhail, why did she talk to Hurley in English? I'm so glad Mikhail ain't dead, 'cause I want to know what she said.

Good point about the palne being "found". If it was a lie.... if indeed we are NOT looking at parallel universe construct...it was forged and vreated with someone with more resources than Ben and his group had. Where do you get the bodies? How do you create other pieces of plane?

The coffin? I think it is Sawyer with another assumed name. the death occurs in NY according to the OBIT. The name is said to be Jeremy something.

Locke will NOT leave the island AT ALL. Neither will Rousseau.

And if I said it once I've said it 100 times: Jacob=Smoky=Walt, Christian, Horsie, Eko's Bro, etc.

[Cagliostro]

Sawyer is a possibility, but I think it's Locke. He wouldn't have wanted to leave, and we've already seen that he's suicidal. That would make Jack feel responsible.

Locke's suicidal? When? When he was shot, and thought he was going to die in that hole with the dead Dharma folks? I thought he was just speeding up the inevitable. I didn't take that as suicidal.

[A Gunslinger]

Sawyer is a possibility, but I think it's Locke. He wouldn't have wanted to leave, and we've already seen that he's suicidal. That would make Jack feel responsible.

Locke's suicidal? When? When he was shot, and thought he was going to die in that hole with the dead Dharma folks? I thought he was just speeding up the inevitable. I didn't take that as suicidal.

He would be suicidal IF he were removed from the Island and moved to someplace where his legs no longer worked.

[Cagliostro]

Granted.

[ItisWritten]

Who was in that coffin?

Taking the assumption that it must be a character we already know (it might not be, but that would be cheating IMO), which of the ones that Jack would feel responsible for would have no one show up?

That leaves out Hurley, Jin and Sun (wrong type of funeral, too), Bernard and Rose. I think I'm forgetting someone.

Claire might stay in LA, but she'd more likely return to Australia. Desmond would go back to Britain. Jack wouldn't shed a tear over Ben or go suicidal over any of the Others.

Sawyer is a possibility, but I think it's Locke. He wouldn't have wanted to leave, and we've already seen that he's suicidal. That would make Jack feel responsible.

It was a flash forward, why would it be cheating that we haven't met the character yet?

It's not fair play to present a mystery to the audience that is not solvable. You're right, Lost is not a basic mystery, but the creators know we'll be speculating all year who was in the coffin. Why present a question that no one can reasonably guess? If it was someone we haven't met, why not show us?

[Warmark]

I reckon it was Michael's funeral, although i dont know why Jack would be upset about it.

[ItisWritten]

Well, her (Naomi's) English was English accented, not American.

I stand corrected. The point remains. Why did she speak Italian to Mikhail when that is clearly not her birth language?

Good point about the palne being "found". If it was a lie.... if indeed we are NOT looking at parallel universe construct...it was forged and vreated with someone with more resources than Ben and his group had. Where do you get the bodies? How do you create other pieces of plane?

You don't. You fake an ROV taking pictures of a "plane" 4 miles down (not even the FAA has the resources to salvage that deep). The tech to patch in a fake feed is not so hard. As for bodies, you don't need close-ups for grainy, underwater footage. The footage can be made from several sources including dummies and mocked-up shots. It's a lot easier to believe in no survivors than you'd think.

[[Syl]]

Maybe it was just me, but that coffin didn't look fullsize. More like a small woman or large child.

[Reave the Unjust]

Just watched the last 3 episodes back to back.

AAAAaarrgh!!!
Almost a whole year to wait now....

Might have to re-watch the last one when I've recovered, but I doubt it'll make more sense to me.

Great stuff though. Easily the best tv show I've watched since, well, a LONG time!

Rousseau said she won't leave the island, but now she's found Alex wouldn't she reconsider? Unless Alex feels that it's her home too. What if Alex's bf Carl wants to leave but one of them doesn't?
Trouble brewing I think......
The writers of this series enjoy making triangles!

Glad Hurley showed them that he can be useful.
Charlie always had a lot of potential as a hero; his end was a good one but sad of course. (if he is really gone)

Still wondering where Michael and Walt are.
The statue with odd toes.
The Temple?
How can Richard be so old?
When will series 4 be on in the UK?
The list is endless....

Time will tell, I hope

EDIT
Just read this from Cagliostro:

And is Mikhail the Terminator? Is he going to be back next season with his metal parts showing?

[ItisWritten]

Charlie always had a lot of potential as a hero; his end was a good one but sad of course. (if he is really gone)

Hmm. Now that we know Mikhail is, um, undead, does this mean some of the Others are like this? I don't mean Ben or the people he's brought, but Richard and his group. This also seems to apply to Locke.

Charlie? Remember in season 1 when Ethan hanged him? Jack spent a long time on CPR, but--if I remember correctly--Jack had paused when Charlie roused. Wouldn't it be funny if Desmond spent all that time protecting Charlie for no reason? In fact, it might be an ironic twist because submerged in the Looking Glass, he can't revive without air (can he?), and if Desmond hadn't saved him from the lightning, he would know, like Mikhail would, that he could drown and be revived later.

I don't know if I want this to be true, but the logic works--mostly.