Kevin's Watch

Kara was the harbinger of death...to the vast majority of the Cylons.

kara's ressurection was obviously attributted to God -- her body was placed on the planet for her to find as well as Theoben.

kara was perhaps the harbinger of death for the Cycle itself - the cycle of humans inventing AI, AI and humans warring, Humans and AI destroying each other.

Who or what is Head Baltar? WHy does he look like Gaius Baltar?

I think it's because at the last, Gauis spoke for humanity in the control room, and was representative of the Human race at the end. Therefore the messenger chose this persona, knowing the role he was destined to fill. Ditto for Head Six.

Baltar represents the redeemability of Man, and symbolically, the redeemabilty of the human race, which was acheived in the breaking of the cycle. Therefore it makes sense to me that the messenger chose this appearance. but its Just my observation.

What was the meaning of the last lines of dialog, where Head Six and Head Baltar are present day, talking about the whether the cycle is broken or not. Six says she thinks the cycle is broken because of :

"Mathematics, the Law of Averages... if you repeat something enough times something unexpected can happen. That too is in Gods Plan."

Baltar leans in, looks her in the eyes and says:

"You know It doesnt like that name. "

then he smiles and says:

Silly Me. Silly Me.

what the frak does that mean?? Does it mean that God is a machine, and its not a human god, but a truly Cylon one?

or does he say "Silly Me" because he should have used a Human term, such as "He" or "She" versus "It"?

Could mean anything. "It" could be the Supreme Being. Or, as Richard Bach put it, the Is. Or the universe itself, which may, in the BSG universe (possibly in our own?), be more conscious than we know. Or the cycle. Or...

FINALLY saw it (hey - I'm out skiing with friends, and had cable box problems on premier night <grin>)

I'm both pleased and satisfied. Still some questions, but they might be answered this fall. Or maybe some of them won't - I don't mind having some unanswerd - like "who/what is God?"

I also like how they tied the end of this in with the beginning of the OLD series:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHD1uPVkyk0

I guess they broke the cycle, but only on Earth - sounds like others continue the battle elsewhere and the cycle continues.

romeo, thanks!!! I didnt think of that -- this Galactica as a prequal to the original!!

I was impressed with how they seemed to tie everything together without making it seem too wanky. I laughed pretty hard when Baltar became the voice of humanity, but hey - he was guided by God the whole time. Well, not when he destroyed Caprica.

And Kara in the end ... brilliant. Just fraking brilliant, having her disappear like that. (IMO)

Like you Romero I just saw it last night.
I need to let it sink in a little more.
At first I wasn't happy but now I think I like they way it ended.
Could have done without all the Caprica flashbacks though, that was a waste of time.
I read on another forum that "due to editing" they left out how ALL the Cylons were destroyed as the nukes from the Raptor blew it up enough so the black hole pulled it in.

We know that all the Cylons weren't destroyed, since we saw Sharon, Saul, Ellen, Galen, Caprica and Leoben on Earth.

I was just looking at this too.

The Greek proverbial phrase kalon k'agathon ("the beautiful and the good") — also written as kalos k'agathos — was used to describe the ideal man, the epitome of both aesthetics and ethics.

Very interesting indeed.

High Baltar and High Caprica reminded me of Daniel and Marty at the end of the Dune books. (Before his son's books finishing the series, of course, since they explained the characters.)

awesome post cail, I really enjoyed reading that!

But what about in Razor where the old time base star Hybrid tells kendra that Kara will "be the one to destroy her species". Besides, if anyone is a harbinger of death, its Gaelan, not Starbuck. (not that I really blame the poor guy, his world has fallen apart around him)

Maybe saving Hera and starting a civilization hybridized between cylon, man, and neanderthal did "destroy" the colonial race. But that's kind of a stretch.

Though I didn't have any problems with the last few episodes, I thoroughly enjoyed the finale. Really, compare it to a long list of sci-fi shows - Farscape, Firefly, The Invisible Man, Pushing Daisies, Dead Like Me, Space: Above & Beyond, even The X-files... It's an ending, and I think I'd still put it above any of the Treks (even TNG's).

Syl wrote:It's an ending

That's very true. It's way above many shows in that regard. A real ending. Yeah, many of us have a problem with this or that aspect of things, but they gave us more than many shows did, at least.

I was as satisfied as I could be. I'm especially glad that Tori got what was coming to her.
I guess the only thing I'd have like explained to me a little more thoroughly would be Kara.

Neat article, Cail

Fist and Faith wrote:

Syl wrote:It's an ending

That's very true. It's way above many shows in that regard. A real ending. Yeah, many of us have a problem with this or that aspect of things, but they gave us more than many shows did, at least.

Yes. I think that's probably why I found it so satisfying. It's over. No ambiguities.

I really wasn't satisfied with Starbuck's disappearance. On the one hand, leaving interpretation up to us was interesting; maybe the producers wanted to acknowledge that their audience had brains and didn't need all the dots connected for them...

On the other hand, I wanted answers, and doing something vague and mysterious to avoid having to explain anything was a bit annoying.

And I feel sorry for poor Apollo, who was thoroughly abandoned by everyone he cared about. (Yeah, I know I got too emotionally involved in the series.)

And I'm really ticked off that they totally swept the Guardian Hybrid's prophecy under the rug at the last moment, since they teased us with it for months and it was the foundation of almost every theory I had regarding the end of the series.

Worst of all, I keep picturing Baltar with a harem of Neanderthals, and that's not an image you want in your head. Ever.

In reflection, I am satisfied as well, after digesting it. I went back and rewatched the ending. I was pissed at first with Kara's dissappearing, but agree now it was well done.

My wife is tired of seeing me at the dvr re-running parts of the ending. she thinks I am a total dweeb.

I've re-watched the final episode and I'm a little better satisfied also. I definitely understand Hera better now.

I have no problem with Kara's ending. She was an agent of God. God was obviously a big part of the whole show (Head Baltar and Caprica; the fact that they were all DNA compatible with our early humans; the fact that the Colony-made cylons believed in the One God, when those who built them believed in the gods; etc.), so He can be used as an explanation for anything and everything. He wanted her where she was, when she was, in order to achieve the desired ending. Then He called her home.

Besides, she didn't have a problem with her ending, or the mystery of herself. She felt that her purpose was done. She felt complete, and was satisfied.

Loved Tori getting the crap choked out of her. Saw it coming as soon as they mentioned the mind meld stuff (even before she started her stuttering her "please don't kill me" bull). I figured the deal would be blown, but I thought Cavel (Kavel?) would go back on his word - LOVED the way they handled the rest of that scene, though. Wow!!

Bummer that Racetrack bought it, but she got the last word in.

Bummer that Hotdog wasn't in the final hour of the show (he's Ed Olmos' son - I just figured this out several weeks ago). Nice that they had a little father-son camera time in the passageway in the next-to-last episode.

I don't like how they brushed Kara's prophecy under the rug. And although I was hoping for a solution that kept her alive, Roslyn should not have lived to see Earth. That was prophesy as well.

But the only real "complaint" I have is that there's no freaking way that Adama would leave his son and just never come back. The war was over - this was prime time for family bonding and enjoying a bit of peace together. Even if Lee was going to explore the world, his father could have let him know where he was if he wanted to "drop in when he was in town." Despite the other inconsistencies, this is the only one that really feels patently false to me.

But despite the lonely ending, I'm at peace with the end of what I feel was the best drama series ever.

(which is more than I can say about Buffy - do you know they killed Anya just so that they could have a body count that included a major character?! outrageous! especially considering the whole series was about HER and her journey to becoming really human! *sigh*)

Romeo wrote:But the only real "complaint" I have is that there's no freaking way that Adama would leave his son and just never come back. The war was over - this was prime time for family bonding and enjoying a bit of peace together. Even if Lee was going to explore the world, his father could have let him know where he was if he wanted to "drop in when he was in town." Despite the other inconsistencies, this is the only one that really feels patently false to me.

Yeah, I hadn't even gotten to this yet. Ridiculous. Bill's gonna build his cabin on that mountain and sit there alone, talking to Laura, the rest of his life?

Actually, I'll just assume he comes down in the next several months, and hooks up with Lee again.