Kevin's Watch

My point about the oath: The greeks used to swear, holding their testicles, hence the word 'testify.' I believe the meaning was that if they lied, they'd lose 'em. It would keep me honest. but if we said, for example, "I swear by the Allfather that I did not cut down that cherry tree." If it is proven by another that one did cut down the cherry tree (or if the Allfather heard the oath and knew it to be false), the Allfather would then punish the person who swore falsely.

It's an idea, anyway.

I like it.

Doesn't Xar punish us enough already?

Simjen said:

The greeks used to swear, holding their testicles, hence the word 'testify.'

What if you don't have testicles?

Anyway, did I read that right? Did someone edit their PM?

I guess gods need rules too.

Nor, don't leave. The game is much more interesting with you in it.

Jove wrote:Nor, don't leave. The game is much more interesting with you in it.

Thanks. I wont, I was just annoyed about the whole pming issue - that Queea claims me a breaker of treaties yet he has been planning to break the treaty from day one.

<--- totally confused...

See? This is why I'm only an observer.

That is the other result of having private dealings--people are left out of the loop, even other players, and are left puzzled when it spills out into the open.
It is entirely likely each of us will go around playing our game and remain entirely ignorant of what another player has been doing the whole time.

If you weren't an observer Menolly, you'd have a better idea of what was going on...

OK, obviously something annoying happened, glad to see it's over with no casualties.

I agree with Simjen. Take it with a grain (or more) of salt. Only things direct from Xar are the truth, everybody else, you take your chances.

PM's are indispensible. The game wouldn't work if there weren't some form of private communication. Or at least, it would be vastly different, because everybody would be on their own.

As for editing PM's...oh I finally figured out what you meant. You mean selective editing so that what one said can be taken out of context in speaking to another. Haha. Never occurred to me. I rarely quote anyway.

I don't mind a binding oath, everything I actually say is almost always true in some sense. But I agree that it shouldn't be sworn frivolously, and that the AllFather should always be called to witness it.

Waddley...great post. It's a game people. I get frustrated, but the mental workout is great.

Oh...spreadsheet...great idea Murrin. I just use a word document to keep track. Of course, it's 40 pages long already...

The spreadsheet thing is damn clever...but it's a lot of work, and I'm not sure my excel is good enough.

I have gmail. If there's anything I need to remember, I use the search feature.

Ya'lls methods of tracking have got me feeling rather inadequate.

It might as well just be a list on paper, for all the work it takes. It's just a list of all the things I think I might want to do something about in a turn, with other notes so I know where my power is going. Not even worth doing most of it, but at least I don't forget things.
The other list is more useful--the one that lets me rank everyone by followers and increase of followers. Just so I know where everyone stands. And that's just a list, too. Just use Data>Sort to arrange it.


Edit--Of course, I also label all my turn emails "Pantheon" on gmail, so I can see them all listed with one click.

I'm one up on you there at least...I have a whole seperate address. Maybe I'll see about transfering my list to excel...but then, do you simply replace the values each time? How do you deal with the changing stats?

Personally, I find using a wiki to be very useful. It may not have the sort function of Excel, but a wiki allows you to be very flexible in the editing process, and it can contain everything you need - in my case, the events of all gods, the status of each god, the rules of the game, the behind-the-scenes material, and so on.

Incidentally, the wiki I use doesn't require server capabilities, is self-contained in a html document (so you can also carry it with you in a USB stick, if you wanted), and it doesn't use pages as much as "tiddlers", so that you can open more than one thing at the same time (very useful when defining the events for the next turn, or to keep an eye on the evolution of an event from the first notification to the situation it has turned into). If you are interested, the wiki I use can be downloaded freely at: www.tiddlywiki.com . It's relatively easy to use, but there are also tutorials in case you're lost Besides, those of you who see me on MSN can always ask for help

As for the other point... Waddley said it well enough, I think. This is just a game, and if any of you gets annoyed at someone else's actions, just take a deep breath, leave the computer for a while, let yourself cool down, then come back and gut the guy In any case, I am amenable to setting up this "godly oath" procedure, especially if some or all of you feel this would make things better and/or less annoying.

Edit: here are a couple of pictures from the wiki I have, so you can have an idea about what it looks like:


The main page (the names of the players have been removed for privacy reasons )


An example of two tiddlers open at the same time (useful for comparison purposes)

Oh by the way, it is quite likely that this week's turn will be at least a couple of days late, but it might even be skipped at all. Sorry guys, but I have to finish a presentation for a symposium on tuesday and I'm supposed to talk in front of a Nobel prize winner, so I'd rather be prepared And after that I have to prepare my dissection for Runes, so... I hope I'll have time to prepare the turn, but I wanted to warn you that perhaps I won't be able to

Waddley Hasselhoff wrote:Nothing to see here. These are not the gods you're looking for.

Move along, move along.


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Waddley, master of jedi-like hand movements

What? Move along? Did you just tell me to move along??

Do you need to rethink how you direct ascendants mortal? Have some respect or I'll make you watch your car being stolen in a recurring dream.

Dude, I just got owned.

Really sad thing is, I had a dream last night where I saw my car driving away and I tried to chase it in my friend's car, but I couldn't catch it.

I'm going to go sob myself to sleep.


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Waddley- the carless, the sad.

No problem, Xar. Been there, done that. The only reason I can play the game now is that I graduate next week. YAHOOO!!!!!

But moves are still due by 11pm GMT Saturday, right?

Murrin wrote:Doesn't Xar punish us enough already?

Among the best lines of Pantheon 2.0!

Vadhaka wrote:I'm one up on you there at least...I have a whole seperate address. Maybe I'll see about transfering my list to excel...but then, do you simply replace the values each time? How do you deal with the changing stats?

Dude! Use gmail spreadsheets. Thats what I did!

Vadhaka wrote:I'm one up on you there at least...I have a whole seperate address. Maybe I'll see about transfering my list to excel...but then, do you simply replace the values each time? How do you deal with the changing stats?

At the minute I just go through the list in the Game Thread and copy in the new values (after moving the old ones into the other column). The differences are just column 1 minus column 2, of course.


Edit: I just went and tried out Google Spreadsheets. Infuriating. You can't move the cells by click+drag--you have to cut and paste. and half the time it doesn't copy, or refuses to paste, or whatever. I need to be able to drag stuff about to arrange things.

I cant believe people are using spreadsheets. What next, D&D character sheets and hex maps?