Kevin's Watch

danlo wrote:What's the difference between lucid dreaming and Astral Traveling?

the belief that what you're doing is really real isn't it?

When I had my one instance of Astral Traveling I didn't try to do it, it just happened-I was aware that my "soul" lifted out of my body and took off during the twilight time between being awake and asleep--I knew I wasn't dreaming and I saw my body below me before my "soul" flew out the window...

The Assemblage Point is a place on our energy body, where the perception is put together from a chaotic blend into an orderly set of emanations, that we call the World. Through practical realization of the existence of such a point, it is possible to break free from the deadly grip of every day reality, and move perception to a different location in our dreaming body. The final result of such advancement is illumination of all the emanations of the dreaming body, the position knows as 'Total Freedom'. Carlos Castaneda

'Total Freedom' = Anarchy

Never having astral travelled, I couldn't really define the difference. I can say though, that in lucid dreaming there are no limitations to your experience - i.e. you don't have to be in the 'real' world - your environment is limited only by your imagination. You can visit Middle Earth or the Land, or just create and populate your own world. I'm assuming in astral travel you can't do that.

actually you can, it's up to you. but one can perceive and act in the real world when one is doing either. depends on you and how much you believe that what is happening is real. you can sit on your porch, go down the street, jump to a mountaintop and from there to the moon and beyond if you wish. Energy is your only limitation, as is your imagination. the only things that are not recommended are that you don't stare at yourself in bed, or go too far beyond your ability to get back. you have to believe these activities can be fatal and proceed accordingly. you also have to be careful of who you may meet in your journeys, not everything and everybody in this universe has your best interest in their interest in you.

Tip #1: use your "belly" to "move". your "intent" is directed by your "will" which is located in your "center".

I had the most trippy dream last night (which I'll edit for the sake of...well...)

I was catching a plane to the US...forgetting to pack almost everything...realised I hadn't brought a book to read (!!!) and ended up at my uncles house who (amazingly enough) had a copy of Mordant's Need. But I wasn't in the mood to read that. My sister appeared and suggested that I look at her books (which I wasn't impressed with) and then she took me for a walk in a garden on the top storey of a house...and then I arrived at the airport and got in trouble for having nail clippers in my bag....

Edge wrote:After months of trying, I managed to have a lucid dream - and it was the most indescribable experience. In lucid dreams, you are aware you're dreaming, and are able to direct the dream. Everything is totally real, but you are able to do things only possible in dreams, such as fly or have superpowers. You can go where you want and do what you want - it's like being a god.

I can't wait to repeat the experience.

My lucid dreams have never been particularly fun. They're usually offshoots from nightmares, so all I do is make everything less scary, then wake myself up. Besides, because I know it's a dream, I don't have the sense of omnipotence or freedom that you describe - just vague disappointment and futility. Since I know it's all in my head, I gain nothing from messing about with it.

Maybe I'm just a pessimist.

Seareach wrote:I had the most trippy dream last night (which I'll edit for the sake of...well...)

I was catching a plane to the US...forgetting to pack almost everything...realised I hadn't brought a book to read (!!!) and ended up at my uncles house who (amazingly enough) had a copy of Mordant's Need. But I wasn't in the mood to read that. My sister appeared and suggested that I look at her books (which I wasn't impressed with) and then she took me for a walk in a garden on the top storey of a house...and then I arrived at the airport and got in trouble for having nail clippers in my bag....

um... you need to get out more, sea.

iQuestor wrote:um... you need to get out more, sea.

well...I did have to miss out all the good bits...which were quite...erm..."good"

CovenantJr wrote: My lucid dreams have never been particularly fun. They're usually offshoots from nightmares, so all I do is make everything less scary, then wake myself up. Besides, because I know it's a dream, I don't have the sense of omnipotence or freedom that you describe - just vague disappointment and futility. Since I know it's all in my head, I gain nothing from messing about with it.

Maybe I'm just a pessimist.

The strange thing is, I've had dreams before where I've known I was dreaming - and I've even had a couple since - but this lucid dream was quantifiably different. I wouldn't know any of the technical details, but it was more like being in an altered state of consciousness - in fact, I'm told that shamanic-guided spirit journeys are actually lucid dreams. Part of the difference was in how incredibly 'real' the experience was, to the point that even now I remember every part of it in great detail. Although objectively I knew I was dreaming, every sight, every sound, smell and touch was as real as if I were awake.

i haven't had a lucid dream in a long time, but in the ones i have had, i usually fly, which is way cool.

last night i dreamt that i wrecked a car that i rented and i thought my company was covering the insurance on it but they didn't, so i was upset and trying to fix the dent myself.

I had a horrible dream last night.

It was that kind of dream that is wonderful while you're having it, and the you wake up and you feel sick to your stomach.

I had a dream about thefirst last night. It was weird. We were talking on chatbane, and it kept lagging (like usual) but she kept misinterpreting all my sentences because of it, and was getting pretty pissed at me.

Strange.

I'm SORRRRRRRRRYYYYYY, First!

My dreams keep getting so strange. I'd like to tell you everything I see.

Emotional Leper wrote:I had a horrible dream last night.

It was that kind of dream that is wonderful while you're having it, and the you wake up and you feel sick to your stomach.

I'm glad I'm good at forgetting my dreams, cause sometimes I wake up in the morning, and I have to throw up.

Emotional Leper wrote:My dreams keep getting so strange. I'd like to tell you everything I see.

I used to work with the original drummer of Krokus.

Wyldewode wrote:

Emotional Leper wrote:My dreams keep getting so strange. I'd like to tell you everything I see.

I used to work with the original drummer of Krokus.

*sniffle*

Are you saying Krokus' cover is better than Sweet's original?

Emotional Leper wrote:

Wyldewode wrote:

Emotional Leper wrote:My dreams keep getting so strange. I'd like to tell you everything I see.

I used to work with the original drummer of Krokus.

*sniffle*

Are you saying Krokus' cover is better than Sweet's original?

Nothing of the sort. . . I can't compare since I haven't heard Sweet's version.

Wyldewode wrote:

Emotional Leper wrote:

Wyldewode wrote: I used to work with the original drummer of Krokus.

*sniffle*

Are you saying Krokus' cover is better than Sweet's original?

Nothing of the sort. . . I can't compare since I haven't heard Sweet's version.

Heathen. Hm. youtube.com/watch?v=ZrBDivsSe3k

There aren't speakers on this computer at the game store. I'll have to listen to it later, my dear.