What Do You Think Today?
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 6:21 am
Actually quite difficult to comment on what is happening on the ground between Israel and Iran, but notice how the upbeat, almost euphoric, commentary of the first few days is falling away.
Exchanges are ongoing between the two belligerents, that's for sure, but while Iran are fairly open about what damage is being done, Israel are pretty much slapping a blackout zone around all reportage.
We know a hospital in Beersheba was hit - of that Israel has made much (which is somewhat puzzling given their own propensity for striking hospitals in Gaza) - and the stock exchange building. Last night the strikes also in Beersheba left fires burning near the Microsoft buildings there. But in the main, coverage is limited and concentrated upon political and diplomatic efforts to bring the conflict to a halt being made by third party nations.
President Trump, following his ridiculously bellicose rhetoric of the past few days, and the yammering media speculation that he was "about to strike", has suddenly damped it all down. He's clearly been briefed (there's no indication that he understands the situation fully enough to be able to construct this chain of reasoning on his own) on how dangerous and effectively irreversible such a lurch into active involvement would be, and on this basis has announced a 'two week window' within which he will 'make his decision'. (Note the 'inverted commas' of the last words; that is of course because he won't actually be making any decisions for himself on this. His decision will effectively be made by the last person who gets to speak to him - it always is.)
The truth is that once that final decision to involve the USA is made, then its almost impossible to speculate on where it ends. And what does America actually do?
Okay. They could take out this nuclear site at Fordo with their 30,000 pound bombs. But this is easier said than done. It requires many, many planes to create the 'corridor' via which the B52 bombers could approach the site of the enrichment plant. This in itself is a hugely massive and complex operation. And to what end does it serve? If, as is actually more probably the case than not, Iran is not actually constructing a nuclear bomb, has no bomb, nor any actual desire to have one......then bombing the site has absolutely zero strategic effect on Iran's capability to strike at Israel and draws America into the conflict (with all of the dangers, both domestic and geopolitical that that involves, never mind militarily) without making the slightest dint in the Iranian capacity to inflict damage in return.
So what? Does it concentrate on Iranian militarily targets? Attempting to beat down on its ability to mount air defences and fire ballistic missiles at Western targets in the region? It might ultimately be able to achieve this end, but the indicators are that it would be at enormous cost to Western assets in the region, not to mention the effects on the global economy and the completely unpredictable nature of what other countries might do in consequence of this escalation of the conflict. And what if the Straits of Hormuz where 30 percent of the world's oil passes through are closed? Or the Saudi or Iraqi oil fields are hit? Ot the Western naval assets struck? When the costs of these things in terms of material and human losses start to turn up on the doorstep of people in the home countries, the blowback is likely to be considerable. Unlike in Iran itself, where people are becoming more, not less, inclined to support their government, in the USA and UK (in particular, but not exclusively) the population is far more sceptical about the whole adventure, and visible costs at home are only going to make this worse.
So Trump, so normally dismissive of the possibility of anybody else being able to make an input into any situation, finds himself having to take a back seat for a couple of weeks while he hopes that the Europeans that he is usually disdainful of, try and dig him out of the situation that either he and Israel together, or less possibly Israel alone, has landed him in.
To that end a meeting will take place in Geneva today, in which the foreign ministers of France, the UK and Germany will meet with their Iranian counterpart. It will be a blow to the inflated Trumpian ego to have to deferr to European diplomacy in order to dig him and Israel out of the situation they have contrived to get themselves into, and you can bet that the Iranians will make them pay heavily. But there will be absolutely no Iranian surrender, as Trump demanded. By now the likelihood is that Israel is realising it has bitten off more than it can chew and will be looking for its exit strategy. All kinds of behind the doors concessions will be promised - sanctions lifting and the like - in order to get Iran to cease responding and make it appear that Israel has won. They will even be offered the option of keeping being able to enrich uranium up to and including the levels required for domestic energy production (essentially what they actually had in the JCPOA agreement that Trump screwed up).
And another thing that will be dropped is the demand from the USA of a strict limitation on the amount of conventional missile holdings they could have. Unreported and unbeknownst to Western audiences, this limitation was actually included in the nuclear limitations talks that America was holding with Iran prior to the Israeli intervention. Thus, the Americans were demanding not only were Iran to give up its nuclear ambitions (which it probably never had anyway) but also to render itself defenceless to any future attack from whatever source as well!
How could any country ever accept that? It was a nonsense and it's a testament to Iranian patience that they were even prepared to keep negotiating under this kind of nonsense anyway. But the Israeli attack put this particular bit of foolishness to bed at least, and it's doubtful that any of the European negotiators in Geneva will have the temerity to suggest it again. If they do, they can expect a pretty robust response from the Iranian delegation to be sure.
But let's summarise. In short, I don't think that this piece of Israeli adventurism is going anything like according to plan. I think that the damage to Israel from Iranian strikes is way more substantial than they expected and the Iranian response is much more effective than anything that they had planned for. The Americans have at last grasped that they sit on the brink of a fucking disaster, and are desperately playing for time in the hope of putting the genie back into the bottle. To this effect, a backdoor deal involving all kinds of concessions to Iran will be slubbered up, and then, when the hostilities end, will be presented as an Israeli win to the Western public. Thus will the public perception of Israeli invincibility be maintained - a perception that Israel as the last bastion of a Western Settler Colonial State mentality long dead everywhere else, is absolutely dependent upon.
But behind the scenes, in Iran and across the non-Western world, the truth will be more understood. Israel started a war that it couldn't finish, against an enemy that would not be cowed. It remains to be seen how this will play out in the future, but my guess is that the long time coming redressing of the balance in the Middle East will begin to be effected. Israel will need to adopt a very, very, different attitude to its neighbours and a very much curtailed vision of its future, if it is going to survive.
(Edit: The alternative is of course that European efforts to dig Israel and America out of the shit fail, the two week window is wasted, and the whole thing goes to hell in a handcart. It will all depend upon the talents (questionable, certainly in the UK's case) of our foreign ministers and the diplomatic teams behind them. I really hope that they've got some good advisers on hand; ones versed in the realities of the situation and not bought into the nonsense rhetoric of the media and propoganda machines that feed the rest of us our information.)
Exchanges are ongoing between the two belligerents, that's for sure, but while Iran are fairly open about what damage is being done, Israel are pretty much slapping a blackout zone around all reportage.
We know a hospital in Beersheba was hit - of that Israel has made much (which is somewhat puzzling given their own propensity for striking hospitals in Gaza) - and the stock exchange building. Last night the strikes also in Beersheba left fires burning near the Microsoft buildings there. But in the main, coverage is limited and concentrated upon political and diplomatic efforts to bring the conflict to a halt being made by third party nations.
President Trump, following his ridiculously bellicose rhetoric of the past few days, and the yammering media speculation that he was "about to strike", has suddenly damped it all down. He's clearly been briefed (there's no indication that he understands the situation fully enough to be able to construct this chain of reasoning on his own) on how dangerous and effectively irreversible such a lurch into active involvement would be, and on this basis has announced a 'two week window' within which he will 'make his decision'. (Note the 'inverted commas' of the last words; that is of course because he won't actually be making any decisions for himself on this. His decision will effectively be made by the last person who gets to speak to him - it always is.)
The truth is that once that final decision to involve the USA is made, then its almost impossible to speculate on where it ends. And what does America actually do?
Okay. They could take out this nuclear site at Fordo with their 30,000 pound bombs. But this is easier said than done. It requires many, many planes to create the 'corridor' via which the B52 bombers could approach the site of the enrichment plant. This in itself is a hugely massive and complex operation. And to what end does it serve? If, as is actually more probably the case than not, Iran is not actually constructing a nuclear bomb, has no bomb, nor any actual desire to have one......then bombing the site has absolutely zero strategic effect on Iran's capability to strike at Israel and draws America into the conflict (with all of the dangers, both domestic and geopolitical that that involves, never mind militarily) without making the slightest dint in the Iranian capacity to inflict damage in return.
So what? Does it concentrate on Iranian militarily targets? Attempting to beat down on its ability to mount air defences and fire ballistic missiles at Western targets in the region? It might ultimately be able to achieve this end, but the indicators are that it would be at enormous cost to Western assets in the region, not to mention the effects on the global economy and the completely unpredictable nature of what other countries might do in consequence of this escalation of the conflict. And what if the Straits of Hormuz where 30 percent of the world's oil passes through are closed? Or the Saudi or Iraqi oil fields are hit? Ot the Western naval assets struck? When the costs of these things in terms of material and human losses start to turn up on the doorstep of people in the home countries, the blowback is likely to be considerable. Unlike in Iran itself, where people are becoming more, not less, inclined to support their government, in the USA and UK (in particular, but not exclusively) the population is far more sceptical about the whole adventure, and visible costs at home are only going to make this worse.
So Trump, so normally dismissive of the possibility of anybody else being able to make an input into any situation, finds himself having to take a back seat for a couple of weeks while he hopes that the Europeans that he is usually disdainful of, try and dig him out of the situation that either he and Israel together, or less possibly Israel alone, has landed him in.
To that end a meeting will take place in Geneva today, in which the foreign ministers of France, the UK and Germany will meet with their Iranian counterpart. It will be a blow to the inflated Trumpian ego to have to deferr to European diplomacy in order to dig him and Israel out of the situation they have contrived to get themselves into, and you can bet that the Iranians will make them pay heavily. But there will be absolutely no Iranian surrender, as Trump demanded. By now the likelihood is that Israel is realising it has bitten off more than it can chew and will be looking for its exit strategy. All kinds of behind the doors concessions will be promised - sanctions lifting and the like - in order to get Iran to cease responding and make it appear that Israel has won. They will even be offered the option of keeping being able to enrich uranium up to and including the levels required for domestic energy production (essentially what they actually had in the JCPOA agreement that Trump screwed up).
And another thing that will be dropped is the demand from the USA of a strict limitation on the amount of conventional missile holdings they could have. Unreported and unbeknownst to Western audiences, this limitation was actually included in the nuclear limitations talks that America was holding with Iran prior to the Israeli intervention. Thus, the Americans were demanding not only were Iran to give up its nuclear ambitions (which it probably never had anyway) but also to render itself defenceless to any future attack from whatever source as well!
How could any country ever accept that? It was a nonsense and it's a testament to Iranian patience that they were even prepared to keep negotiating under this kind of nonsense anyway. But the Israeli attack put this particular bit of foolishness to bed at least, and it's doubtful that any of the European negotiators in Geneva will have the temerity to suggest it again. If they do, they can expect a pretty robust response from the Iranian delegation to be sure.
But let's summarise. In short, I don't think that this piece of Israeli adventurism is going anything like according to plan. I think that the damage to Israel from Iranian strikes is way more substantial than they expected and the Iranian response is much more effective than anything that they had planned for. The Americans have at last grasped that they sit on the brink of a fucking disaster, and are desperately playing for time in the hope of putting the genie back into the bottle. To this effect, a backdoor deal involving all kinds of concessions to Iran will be slubbered up, and then, when the hostilities end, will be presented as an Israeli win to the Western public. Thus will the public perception of Israeli invincibility be maintained - a perception that Israel as the last bastion of a Western Settler Colonial State mentality long dead everywhere else, is absolutely dependent upon.
But behind the scenes, in Iran and across the non-Western world, the truth will be more understood. Israel started a war that it couldn't finish, against an enemy that would not be cowed. It remains to be seen how this will play out in the future, but my guess is that the long time coming redressing of the balance in the Middle East will begin to be effected. Israel will need to adopt a very, very, different attitude to its neighbours and a very much curtailed vision of its future, if it is going to survive.
(Edit: The alternative is of course that European efforts to dig Israel and America out of the shit fail, the two week window is wasted, and the whole thing goes to hell in a handcart. It will all depend upon the talents (questionable, certainly in the UK's case) of our foreign ministers and the diplomatic teams behind them. I really hope that they've got some good advisers on hand; ones versed in the realities of the situation and not bought into the nonsense rhetoric of the media and propoganda machines that feed the rest of us our information.)