Kevin's Watch

Xar wrote:C'mon, Menolly, you can do it... I'm sure Bhakti will give you his support in this

I suspect something could be worked out.

When they become undead, will they be Loving? Or will they have no choice but to follow Quee, and be Warlike? Because if THAT'S the case, I'm adding Life to my Domains, so that all who Live must also be Loving.

The Undead don't love others. They are damned mortals and souls, who have lost that ability.

You guys really know how to overcomplicate things.

Bhakti wrote:

Xar wrote:It's usually assumed that the "secret" would spread; the idea is that Quee should choose a standard race and name it undead (say, undead dragons), and that means that dragons as a race are fond of undeath to cheat oblivion. Other races may know the secrets of undeath, but they simply don't use it as much as dragons, in that case.

And yet, let's say I choose dragons, also. In order to Love for as long as possible, they use their knowledge of the secrets of undeath. When they become undead, will they be Loving? Or will they have no choice but to follow Quee, and be Warlike? Because if THAT'S the case, I'm adding Life to my Domains, so that all who Live must also be Loving.

The flip-side question is: In another reality, there was a god of the undead named Mephiston. If he did not ask someone before they died, he would often ask the dead if they wished to become undead. Now that there is an actual god of Death, will Quee have that option? Or are the dead in Maeror's territory, and, thus, inaccessible to anyone else without the individual's expressed desire while still alive? Because if THAT'S the case, I'm going to add Life to my Domains, so no other god can talk to any who Live.

For the most part, divine domains can overlap; otherwise, how could you be the god of Love if someone else is the God of Life and someone else still is the God of Death? Who would Love?
Essentially, the undead vary among themselves, although not as much as living creatures. An undead creature can potentially love; if it does, it is still an undead (under Quee's dominion), but he also pays allegiance to you. Dual allegiance, so to speak.
As for death and the undead... well, technically speaking, the situation is like this:

-Some people who die automatically return as undead (those who die with unfinished business may return as ghosts, and so on); in these cases, the person's soul never travels to Maeror's realm, and so they belong to Quee.

-Some undead are simply reanimated corpses, without a spirit to speak of; zombies come to mind. These undead corpses, too, are under Quee's control, although their souls are a different matter (and belong to Maeror).

-Some other undead willingly choose undeath over life (the ancient wizard prolonging his life through undeath, the priest who makes a pact with Quee to exist forever, and so on); these also belong to Quee, since they willingly give themselves to him (either directly, like the priest, or indirectly, like the wizard).

-Maeror rules over the souls of the dead who have not entered binding pacts with other deities (so, most of the souls belong to Maeror). He also receives the souls of all worshipers from all other deities. Ultimately, Maeror will be responsible for deciding what kind of afterlife he wants the souls of the world to have; whether to send the souls of your worshipers to you (as happens in many fantasy pantheons) or to keep all souls in a generic afterlife (like in the Greek pantheon, for example).

Norn wrote:You guys really know how to overcomplicate things.

Come talk to me the next time your world is shattered.

Xar, Do you need to see the prophet publically displayed here? Or does he come into play at the first turn?

(Do I even DARE display a prophet??)

(I've seen in the rules thread that the actual revelation does not happen until the game starts).

As for delivery, the e-mail listed under prebe's profile is fine.

Oh, btw, here's my symbol:

Some people who die automatically return as undead (those who die with unfinished business may return as ghosts, and so on); in these cases, the person's soul never travels to Maeror's realm, and so they belong to Quee.

-Some undead are simply reanimated corpses, without a spirit to speak of; zombies come to mind. These undead corpses, too, are under Quee's control, although their souls are a different matter (and belong to Maeror).

-Some other undead willingly choose undeath over life (the ancient wizard prolonging his life through undeath, the priest who makes a pact with Quee to exist forever, and so on); these also belong to Quee, since they willingly give themselves to him (either directly, like the priest, or indirectly, like the wizard).

-Maeror rules over the souls of the dead who have not entered binding pacts with other deities (so, most of the souls belong to Maeror). He also receives the souls of all worshipers from all other deities. Ultimately, Maeror will be responsible for deciding what kind of afterlife he wants the souls of the world to have; whether to send the souls of your worshipers to you (as happens in many fantasy pantheons) or to keep all souls in a generic afterlife (like in the Greek pantheon, for example).

That sounds fair enough.

Here is my symbol:

Undine Sovereign of the Seas, Reeve of the Rivers, Lord of the Lakes

Domains: Seas, Water

Symbol: Pearl, Dolphin, Waterfall

Dogma: The waters will provide all that the true heart desires. The waters will destroy all that the faithful heart despises. The waters will conceal all the loyal heart's secrets. The waters will wash away all trace of the perfidious heart's achievements. Be true, be loyal, be faithful, lest ye be engulfed.

Followers: Human

Looks like we got quite a few joining. When do we start then and when do we make prophets?

Queeaqueg wrote:Looks like we got quite a few joining. When do we start then and when do we make prophets?

Hold on... just a handful of days The first turn might begin out of schedule, depending on several things, but it should definitely begin by next week!

WOO HOO! I am soooo excited!

Yeah, I am really excited. This is going to be so much fun!

Bhakti wrote:

Norn wrote:You guys really know how to overcomplicate things.

Come talk to me the next time your world is shattered.

How do you know that it wasn't?

Whose world has been shattered?

I believe Bhakti's was. Weren't you responsible?

Norn wrote:

Bhakti wrote:

Norn wrote:You guys really know how to overcomplicate things.

Come talk to me the next time your world is shattered.

How do you know that it wasn't?

Heh. True enough. I just figured anyone who had been hurt by an incarnation of Queeaqueg as badly as the first Pantheon was would want to know the limits of this incarnation's areas of influence as precisely as possible.

I have added Forests to my Domains.

Xar knows where Menolly will find an appropriate symbol/av.

We haven't even begun the game and you already what to limit me! I am shocked you think so little of the Lord of the Undead and Battle(and once Malice and Chaos). Shocked...

Hey, I just realised, my last set of moves for the old game are still in my outbox. Xar, you should really clear out your inbox, people might've been trying to contact you sometime in the past few months.

The first people of Simjen will be the dwarrow.