Kevin's Watch

i thought rock was a bit more inclusive? Husker Du started out as straight ahead punk and moved to power pop punk. a lot of bands are hugeley indebted to them. and they were the first hardcore punk band to sign to a major. Nirvana and the Foo Fighters owe hugh debts to them.

Nope, I don't think it should be.

Husker Du? I love Husker Du, but I doubt their influence and size of their body of work is less than it probably should be. I love the 2 solo Bob moulds CDs I have, especially "Workbook".

We'll agree to disagree on Petty. I suggest you cats bust out some early petty, as well as his last 2 records and tell me he's a nothing more that a "journeyman". Neil Young is great, and maybe I was reaching my putting pety up THAT high on the canopy in the family tree of rock, but he isn't to far behind when you consider all of the young talent out today that name him as a main influence...again guys like Dave Grohl, Art Alexaskus..hell the Chili Peppers just lifed 1/2 of Mary' Jane's Last Dance to make "Kalifornia"!

well Nirvana from the Pixies and the P9ixies from Husker Du.

also found this from a great band, AC/DC
youtube.com/watch?v=czQ4TM0-TVU

Did Cail say throw out The Mamas and the Papas? I really think not,

Esmer wrote:Getting into the Hall depends on how much influence you've had on the industry and its direction overall

at one point Cass Elliot was the veritable hub of San Francisco rock and roll. C, S, N did their first impromtu gig at one of her parties, hell you could see Grace Slick's house right up on the ridge. I'll have to find the whole thing, but it is absolutely amazing what influence that dynamic woman had. Back with a link...(also had a pretty damm incredible voice too)

Actually, I wouldn't throw out TM&tP. They're definately not my cup 'o Scotch, but they certainly have their place.

yeah, standing outside the HoF looking in.

danlo wrote:Did Cail say throw out The Mamas and the Papas? I really think not,

Esmer wrote:Getting into the Hall depends on how much influence you've had on the industry and its direction overall

at one point Cass Elliot was the veritable hub of San Francisco rock and roll. C, S, N did their first impromtu gig at one of her parties, hell you could see Grace Slick's house right up on the ridge. I'll have to find the whole thing, but it is absolutely amazing what influence that dynamic woman had. Back with a link...(also had a pretty damm incredible voice too)

I think thats exactly what I'm talking about. The behind the scenes influences, the anecdotes about how a conversation backstage with someone changed someone's whole outlook on life and music and shocked or stroked them personally or even a whole generation in a new creative direction. The things we never see or hear that makes a musician influential, which goes far beyond talent or style, to who they are as a person in relationship to music and musicians, not how their music is relative to people or them as a person......and last I checked, Judas Priest, Deep Purple (what? no Uriah Heap?), and Iron Maiden were called Hard Rock at the least, Heavy Metal most commonly, definitely never referred to as Rock and Roll....

well rock & roll has splintered so that focus groups can better serve us.

just one more thing........



ROCK AND ROOLLL AIN'T NOIZE PO-LUSHUN

True Esmer, but it's a long way to the top if you want to Rock and Roll isn't it, eh?

But then again it's been a long time since I've Rock and Rolled...

Esmer wrote:Smoke on the Water gets you in the Hall? Frankly, none of your recommendations has had any effect on the direction that music has taken historically Cail. You keep redefining rock and roll to suit your own tastes, which is fine, don't get me wrong, but just because every aspiring guitarist out there learned Smoke on the Water as their first song doesn't make DP legendary or influential. It was the EASIEST song to learn, thats all. I love every band you have mentioned, but really, none of them changed anything, they were just good to listen to.....

I doubt the lead break would be the first thing you learn...........

Minutemen need to be in HoF.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Minutemen_(band)

So here we go again.....
www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/28/mu ... index.html

Afrika Bambaataa, Beastie Boys, Donna Summer, Chic, and Madonna?

Please......

Sorta seems like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has become the "Popular Music Hall of Fame". And sure, Madonna and Donna Summers belong in the Popular Music Hall of Fame, but rock and roll, they ain't.

Though I'd disagree, I could see the arguement for Beastie Boys. I mean, at least there were guitars on "No Sleep Til Brooklyn" and "Fight For Your Right", and probably a couple of others.

The other two I don't know, so can't comment on.

The Beasties, regardless of songs like "Sabotage" and "No Sleep 'Till Brooklyn", have always been a rap act.

Putting them in the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame would be like putting Anthrax in the Rap Hall of Fame because of "I'm the Man".

I didn't read your link but I heard that John Cougar Mellonhead was going to be inducted too...

He deserves it, as do The Ventures.

Until the R'n R HOF puts Rush in, they can kiss my ass.

Cail wrote:So here we go again.....
www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/28/mu ... index.html

Afrika Bambaataa, Beastie Boys, Donna Summer, Chic, and Madonna?

Please......

geez.