Kevin's Watch

I can't remember them either, Ryzel. Only foxes and kresh, actually.

This is a joke thread--look at the title 4 god sakes! Yes we all know there were no dogs in TCTC series...Kaos I know/hope u're only joking, but all the endless debates/arguements (not only by u, Sky, my involvement 2 some xtent and others) in this 4rum r really starting 2 give me a headache!

dont take it too seriously danlo .. as a debate forum discussion is inevitable .. and so long as its healthy and unoffensive .. thats what we do here best .. discuss stuff ..

as long as everyone remembers we are all respected members of this community .. its all good

*hands danlo an aspirin* lol

Danlo: just do like me and skim through the unimportant parts. or drop out of sight for a few weeks.

Kaos wrote:Anyway, I wasn't presuming nepotism in regards to Mhoram. I was
just pointing out that what we see of the people of the Land is that
they seem to be universally kind, generous, and completely lacking
in envy. The only bitter people we really see in the series are
Trell's family, and Triock, and we all know what happened to them.

It's easy to have a workable system when the people you're
dealing with are virtual saints.

very true .. and probably the reason that we all loved the Land so much in the 1st chrons. cos the inhabitants were so 'good'.

Kaos wrote:A world without dogs
would be sad indeed, I think.

indeed .. a world without cats and dogs .. would be sad indeed

Kaos wrote:It occurred to me after reading that the actual governance of the
Land made it easier for Lord Foul to create the Clave.All he had to
do was corrupt the central authority at Revelstone, and the rest of
the Land was under his sway.

yep and that was the plan .. and not the first time he used that strategy .. with the old Lords you will remember he infiltrated the central government and attempted the same ..

Kaos wrote:Maybe if the Lords had to work for votes we might have gotten
a loyal opposition to the na-Mhoram!

well that is a possibility .. but the people of the Land didnt have such a relationship with the Council .. did they? The Council was respected and trusted .. hence Foul's chosen tactic .. and they seemed to rarely question their authority or decisions .. on the whole

Sky wrote:

as a debate forum discussion is inevitable

wouldn't it b better phrased as: as a discussion forum debate is inevitable?

I was, 4 the most part, being silly w/Kaos..but I still have a headache...

For a minute there, danlo, it sounded like you needed a whole bottle of aspirin and that the galaxy was falling down around you

LOL

danlo:

(visions of Lassie biting her ankle under Rivenrock! "No mom! DONT DO IT!!!!" )

Don't be asburd, danlo.

It's OBVIOUS that Elena was a cat person.

Sky:

Kaos wrote:
Maybe if the Lords had to work for votes we might have gotten
a loyal opposition to the na-Mhoram!
well that is a possibility .. but the people of the Land didnt have such a relationship with the Council .. did they? The Council was respected and trusted .. hence Foul's chosen tactic .. and they seemed to rarely question their authority or decisions .. on the whole

Or maybe they just needed a pair of crusading jounalists ... a
Hirebrand and Gravelingas dedicated to exposing the truth of
the Clave....

A Woodward and Burnstone, if you will....

you're a gaggle of complete nutters LOL .. and Kaos LOL .. you must be the silliest of them all

i think i'm on to you now .. it took me long enough to get there .. but I have arrived

danlo wrote:wouldn't it b better phrased as: as a discussion forum debate is inevitable?

either or .. whatever works for you

KaosArcana wrote:

It's OBVIOUS that Elena was a cat person.

Well she was a crazy lady, which often amounts to the same thing.

As for things we'll never see in TCTC, how about Mr Ed the talking Ranyhyn?

Sometimes I am just so very happy that there are NO elves and NO dwarves and NO hobbits and NO dragons in the Land. Hallelujah!

but i like the elvish folk

Ryzel:

Sometimes I am just so very happy that there are NO elves and NO dwarves and NO hobbits and NO dragons in the Land. Hallelujah![

I kind of see the Cavewrights as being like Trolls.

The ur-viles as orcs.

The Waynhim as elves.

The way the Woodhelvinin are described always made me think of
elves too.[/quote]

Kaos wrote:

something...

I totally disagree! Cavewrights r absolutely nothing like trolls! I see no comparison of Waynhim as elves, none at all--let's go see dukkha RIGHT NOW! Can't argee w/anything nonononononono!

4 some reason I can't equate the Chrons w/LOTRs not at all! nonononono!

I'm w/Ryzel on this 1! yupyupyupyupyup!

I totally agree with you, Danlo. None of those comparisons were valid.

*shakes head*

he should be tied up to a stake and placed under a sunbane for even thinking of such a comparison

LOL .. actually I think the closest thing to elven folk would be the elohim .. just because of their interesting origins

but i tend to steer clear of Tolkien v TCTC comparisons as a general rule ..

lol .. ahhh and thats because in all seriousness .. ofcourse .. both works are breath-taking and strictly unique creations .. to the credit of their individual creators indeed lol

however .. i think a comparison can be drawn between TC and Brian both reluctant and misunderstood heroes .. notwithstanding the fact that Brian didnt have leperosy .. but he did meet a leper once

One of the things that makes TCTC so refreshing is the way it steers away from the same-old hackneyed fantasy traditions, i.e. elves, dwarves and orcs.

I agree that you can find similarities between many of the creatures and things in the chronicles and the LOTR, but there are also important differences.

I totally disagree with the ur-viles being like elves though. The cave-wights are maybe a bit like orcs and trolls, they certainly fill the same roles in the books (cannon fodder).

My thought about elves is that if you consider the whole world and not just the Land, then the inhabitants of the Land would be the "elves" of the world.