Kevin's Watch

Xar wrote:

Zephyr wrote:Yeah, but I was thinking of domains that are not as obviously complementary as, say, Pleasure. Agriculture, for example. Would I be nearly as able to work in Agriculture without taking it as a minor as I would with it as a minor.

Your influence outside your domains is VERY limited. For starters, you have NO influence in domains others claimed, unless you receive their blessing: for instance, you couldn't manipulate the earth itself at all unless Calais explicitly allowed you to do so. Then, regardless of whether the domain you're working with was claimed or not, the cost is much, much higher - your estimate of 5% is more or less accurate. Trying to manipulate, say, the seas when you're the god of Love is something completely outside your influence, and so you must put a lot of effort to perform even the smallest changes...

That makes it interesting for the God of Nothing!

Stonemaybe wrote:

Xar wrote:

Zephyr wrote:Yeah, but I was thinking of domains that are not as obviously complementary as, say, Pleasure. Agriculture, for example. Would I be nearly as able to work in Agriculture without taking it as a minor as I would with it as a minor.

Your influence outside your domains is VERY limited. For starters, you have NO influence in domains others claimed, unless you receive their blessing: for instance, you couldn't manipulate the earth itself at all unless Calais explicitly allowed you to do so. Then, regardless of whether the domain you're working with was claimed or not, the cost is much, much higher - your estimate of 5% is more or less accurate. Trying to manipulate, say, the seas when you're the god of Love is something completely outside your influence, and so you must put a lot of effort to perform even the smallest changes...

That makes it interesting for the God of Nothing!

Nice, Stone!

Excellent answers, Xar. Thanks.

To further understand...

Xar wrote:Your influence outside your domains is VERY limited. For starters, you have NO influence in domains others claimed, unless you receive their blessing: for instance, you couldn't manipulate the earth itself at all unless Calais explicitly allowed you to do so.

So in P3, the God of Mutation would be unable to create Entka without the explicit permission of the God of Forests? All forests would be inviolable?

I think there's probably some overlap--Mutation should be able to mutate, after all, otherwise he'd need Life's permission as well, and would be incapable of anything.

Murrin wrote:I think there's probably some overlap--Mutation should be able to mutate, after all, otherwise he'd need Life's permission as well, and would be incapable of anything.

I like your thinking!!

God of mutation of unliving (and unloving) things!! Yeah ... I like that restriction!!

Luckily a moot point in this specific context, as the Aesthete has announced he will not claim mutation.

Yes, but we're just using it as an easy example to discuss the boundaries of influence.

Back to it, I think Mutation would be capable of Mutating trees, but would not be able to do non-mutation related things with them, like just causing them to grow, for example.
Peace would not be able to increase his followers' martial prowess, but he could prevent his enemies from fighting, for another example.

Fair enough.

Hmmm...an interesting example...I wonder how that would work? 2 completely opposed domains, each attempting to exert their influence on the same thing...would it come down to DRP in that case?

It seems like a difficult question. Or, rather, the answer is something I do not particularly like, but cannot see a way around: Some domains are moe powerful than others in a very real sense. In this example, Mutation could go into Forests and screw with anything at all, while Mutation has likely no ability with Mutation. Maybe inside the forests. But even that? Can the God of Forests mutate things in the forests without Mutation's permission? Can Forests make Love Maples without Love's permission? And I'm sure Love cannot do anything at all in the domains of Love or Mutation outside the forests.

OTOH, Love or Mutation could likely do quite a bit in the forests without asking.

uKulwa wrote:Hmmm...an interesting example...I wonder how that would work? 2 completely opposed domains, each attempting to exert their influence on the same thing...would it come down to DRP in that case?

Probably. Also depends on the specific wording of the actions--one might manage to get around the others action simply by approaching it from a different angle.

Yeah...always a possibility.

Zephyr, I think the particular issues of power in other domains (Or rather, effects in other domains) will be subject to a little refinement. I don't think the game should be so difficult as to slow it down too much. I'm sure Xar will come up with a middle ground that won't give undue power to a deity without making opposition possible as well.

It just looks like I won't be able to do several things I have in P2: raising a spire out of the earth, for example. There are more strict limits to our methods, now. I suppose it is more 'true' for gods with definite spheres of influence to act within those spheres.

Mmmm, yes. But I wouldn't want it to go too far in the limits area. Gods afterall...

I rather like the idea of have extreme difficulty working in another's domain. We're fairly wimpy gods if anybody else can waltz in and screw with our own domains.

Agreed. But as in your example it could lead to either being able to do nothing, or to being able to interfere without any difficulty at all.

I like the principle. I just think the execution is gonna need a bit of fine-tuning.

Luckily, I think I'll be able to do what I want with my character. Unless Xar objects to his methods, of course, but I think I'll be able to justify it.

Can I ask if the House a minor domain belongs to is significant? I understand a god's Major domain alone defines the god's House, but does the House of the Minor domain matter?

As I said, you can still do things outside your domains, it's just much more difficult. So, to take Maeror's example, you could still raise a spire out of the earth - it would just be much more expensive in terms of DRP, but you can do it (unless the goddess of Earth doesn't give you permission).

Also, more specific domains are more limited in scope, but more powerful in function. A god of forests doesn't have control over, say, plains or over the underwater fauna (competences of the god of Nature and possibly the god of the Sea), but when dealing with forests, the god would be able to do more with the same expenditure of DRP than the god of nature. A god of forests could control forests - animate them, grow them, wither them, give birth to special kinds of trees, and the like (asking permission from other deities if appropriate, in the latter case). In the case of the god of forests, you might vaguely imagine the kind of power of the Ents of Lord of the Rings, only more so.

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well what can i do then :s


never mind