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Dragonlily wrote: I too say that I like Insurrection better than this one, but that's not so bad because I like Insurrection. In my preference level, I rank it above ST The Motion Picture and well above Final Frontier, and Undiscovered Country drops out the bottom by comparison.
Okay, while we're at it, here's how I rank them:

1. ST2: Wrath of Khan
2. ST: (2009)
3. ST7: First Contact
4. ST4: The Voyage Home
5. ST3: Search For Spock
6. ST6: The Undiscovered Country
7. ST1: The Motion Picture
8. ST6: Generations
9. ST8: Insurrection
10. ST5: Final Frontier
11. ST9: Nemisis
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Oh, the travesty :)

2: Wrath of Khan
6: Undiscovered Country
4: Voyage Home (take that, Malik! You got the name AND the number wrong! ;) )
3: Search for Spock
First Contact
Generations
1: Motion Picture
5: Final Frontier

I've never seen Insurrection or Nemesis, so I can't comment on those (or the new one, of course).
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Rigel wrote:(take that, Malik! You got the name AND the number wrong! ;) )
I have no idea what you're talking about. My post was edited for entirely different reasons. 8)
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Rigel wrote:Oh, the travesty :)

4: Voyage Home (take that, Malik! You got the name AND the number wrong! ;) )


I've never seen Insurrection or Nemesis, so I can't comment on those (or the new one, of course).
I thought it was Star Trek IV: The One with the Whales?
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I thought it was Star Trek IV: The Coming of the Cheese.
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Well this hits the nail on the head, though I disagree that it still manages to be a good movie.

And another WTF list....
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Cail wrote:Well this hits the nail on the head, though I disagree that it still manages to be a good movie.

And another WTF list....
I absolutely agree with that list. Especially the comment about the engine room.
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are either link safe for one who hasn't seen the movie to look at?
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No.
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Thanks Cail...
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Just go see the movie already.....;)
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hopefully over the weekend...

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Loremaster wrote:
Cail wrote:Well this hits the nail on the head, though I disagree that it still manages to be a good movie.

And another WTF list....
I absolutely agree with that list. Especially the comment about the engine room.
I also absolutely agree. Fist tells me that I'm the only person who hates this movie. It's tough being the sole voice of reason in a world that's gone insane. ;)
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dlbpharmd wrote:
Loremaster wrote:
Cail wrote:Well this hits the nail on the head, though I disagree that it still manages to be a good movie.

And another WTF list....
I absolutely agree with that list. Especially the comment about the engine room.
I also absolutely agree. Fist tells me that I'm the only person who hates this movie. It's tough being the sole voice of reason in a world that's gone insane. ;)
Nah, I know a guy from Germany on another board that hated it too, though he did like the acting for the most part. :wink:
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The more I think about it, the more I'm disliking it.
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dlbpharmd wrote:
Loremaster wrote:
Cail wrote:Well this hits the nail on the head, though I disagree that it still manages to be a good movie.

And another WTF list....
I absolutely agree with that list. Especially the comment about the engine room.
I also absolutely agree. Fist tells me that I'm the only person who hates this movie. It's tough being the sole voice of reason in a world that's gone insane. ;)
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Okay, I'm really not a Trekker or Trekkie . . . I'm just argumentative. :)

The list has some good points, and others are clearly there to make a nice round number.
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1. Plumbing mishap was dumb and silly.Where did the water go where his body appeared?
2. The Cave of Coincidence could be explained with simple additions in later movies (this is JJ’s style on Lost, anyway—making something look too coincidental to be realistic, then showing how it makes sense in later seasons). All it would take is the marooned Spock to go to the same cave he knew Kirk would go to. How would he know this? Maybe it’s a consequence of a Vulcan—a being who can read minds—being in the same timeline with his past self. A sort of freaky time paradox specifically arising for telepathic beings. Maybe he “remembered” his past actions for this timeline as soon as he entered this timeline—as well as remembered his previuos timeline. Paradox instead of coincidence.
3. I don’t know who Tyler Perry is; didn’t even notice him.
4. Wynona was an odd choice. Not a deal breaker.
5. Red matter was clearly a plot device, and not very plausible. It happens in sci-fi. Were you expecting “hard” s.f?
6. Green girl didn’t bother me. I just don’t get people who complain about girls in their underwear—no matter what their skin color. :)
7. Scotty’s sidekick was ridiculous.
8. Spock’s chat with himself was one of my favorite parts of the movie. It shows he is trying to repair the damage (kind of like Theomach) and make this timeline as close to the old one as possible. The advice he gives to himself is perfectly in line with his character and what Spock has been through in the previous films as he learns to embrace both sides of his nature.
9. Eric Bana was meh.
10. I liked the Enterprise.
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1. Good point.
2. Revenge is a common theme with ST villains, not reason.
3. ??
4. See Cave of Coincidence.
5. Spock had just witnessed his home planet destroyed. As his future self says, "Trust me, I'm emotionally compromised."
6. "If he's getting so much action, why can't one of Spock's emotions be, you know, kinda happy? Why so dour, my Vulcan friend?"

Um, because he's an outcast of his own homeworld, considered to be a mentally handicap idiot savant, torn between two races, and then sees his home planet blown up!!! Why so dour? Seriously?
7. Good point.
8. No big deal to me.
9. Why not? Standard ST trick.
10. Good point.
11. ??
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Sometimes, the logic seems obvious to script writers, when it's not.

Regarding the cave,
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perhaps only that area of the planet was habitable for humans and vulcans, thus stranding them in the same area was inevitable. The conversation that would explain this would be brief.
Regarding #2 on the WTF list,
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how is Nero suppose to save his planet? He's a miner, not a physicist. Or a politician. Sometimes this time travel stuff is too confusing for mere mortals. If waiting 25 years for Spock to catch up to him didn't calm him down, putting the tools for revenge in his hands was all he needed to start his spree. Put another way, getting the red matter was like Kahn getting the Genesis device. Dare him not to use it.
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my wife leaned over to me during the water tube ride and said, "At least it's not chocolate."
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ItisWritten wrote:Regarding #2 on the WTF list,
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how is Nero suppose to save his planet? He's a miner, not a physicist. Or a politician. Sometimes this time travel stuff is too confusing for mere mortals. If waiting 25 years for Spock to catch up to him didn't calm him down, putting the tools for revenge in his hands was all he needed to start his spree. Put another way, getting the red matter was like Kahn getting the Genesis device. Dare him not to use it.
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Nero doesn't need to be. All it takes is to tell his people - any species really - and the problem is resolved, because in 150 years time surely a solution will be worked out.
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Hey, can we modify the title to say 'spoiler alert' so we can take out all of the spoiler tags? They're driving me crazy!
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