Kevin's Watch

As far as the addiction I definetly see where you are coming from as I have now purchased or found at least 10 more SD books. What ones should I read next? humm...guess I have awhile before I have to make that decision. lol.

Wheelwash Mate

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Ever since I have found the KW a few weeks ago, I have been eating, drinking and sleeping TC & SRD. I enjoy spending my time reading the profuse amount of literary dissection and member comments concerning the Chrons. Exploring new ideas and concepts I had not thought of myself while reading the story. I have been a TC addict for years, KW has progressed my disease. LOL

I also was shocked when I first read of the Rape scene years ago. At the time I almost put the book down. But without it, the saga would be less.

Wheelwash Whitecap wrote:I also was shocked when I first read of the Rape scene years ago. At the time I almost put the book down. But without it, the saga would be less.

Hell, without it the saga wouldn't exist.

1st Chronicles spoilers:

Spoiler

Not only does the rape define Covenant's battle with himself, it also has numerous material consequences. No rape, no Elena. No Power of Command, no breach of the Law of Death, no destruction of the Staff of Law, no bargain with the Ranyhyn (which is all that saves the Quest at the end of LFB), no summoning of Hile Troy, no discovery of Desecration by Trell... That one event causes so many other things that without it the Chronicles simply wouldn't be.

Hell, without it the saga wouldn't exist.

I disagree. A good book or series of books is not contingent upon one scene. If the book is like you say, all based around this scene, then what kind of book is this? I believe a good book or series of books should contain many parts that all lead to one climax. A book can exist without one component; however, it might be less than it is in its current state, but that does not mean that the book has to have that component. Although this scene does enhance the toom.

Wheelwash Whitecap Mate wrote:Hell, without it the saga wouldn't exist.

I disagree. A good book or series of books is not contingent upon one scene. If the book is like you say, all based around this scene, then what kind of book is this? I believe a good book or series of books should contain many parts that all lead to one climax. A book can exist without one component; however, it might be less than it is in its current state, but that does not mean that the book has to have that component. Although this scene does enhance the toom.

I can sympathize with that...but to continue this discussion, you'll have to finish the first trilogy

As far as which SRD novels to read next, I guess that depends on which 10 books you have... for me, after reading the First and Second Chronicles, I read Mordant's Need. It was really slow for me to begin with, but it picked up nicely and was awesome.

Orlion wrote:

Wheelwash Whitecap Mate wrote:Hell, without it the saga wouldn't exist.

I disagree. A good book or series of books is not contingent upon one scene. If the book is like you say, all based around this scene, then what kind of book is this? I believe a good book or series of books should contain many parts that all lead to one climax. A book can exist without one component; however, it might be less than it is in its current state, but that does not mean that the book has to have that component. Although this scene does enhance the toom.

I can sympathize with that...but to continue this discussion, you'll have to finish the first trilogy

And the second. The consequences never end.

Hey, WheelwashMate...I'd love to hear what your view is once you've finished the first trilogy. Sometimes I think maybe the rape scene could go and the story would focus more on Cov's battle with realities and leper temptation. Something important would be lost though.

As for you both...concerning this...place.

Get out. Get out now.

jacob Raver, sinTempter wrote: As for you both...concerning this...place.

Get out. Get out now.

I'm not sure the have a choice any longer

Heh, yah! I was just jerkin' their Chain of Hope. Grovel and Despair, Newbs! Neither THOOLAH nor LINDEN can save your immortal soul now!



(Davey Jones' ship from Pirates otC...yah it's kind of like that)

Well happy news to report...though I am slow at reading I finished LFB and (drum roll please) the ending was amazing. Terrific! I could visualize every tunnel and ur vile and the lords fighting. I actually hollered out loud for Covenant to use his ring once. I understand that is a common experience when you read the last part of the book.

I am totally excited about starting the next book. I hear it has more excitement and action. Well onto the next book. Good luck and have a great day all!

AW

P.S. You all are right. We are helpless against Kevin's Watch now. I like the books and Sudoku too much lol.

Enjoy the next book WWM! Many Watchers have stated that The Illearth War is their favourite. There's a poll around somewhere - which would probably be best to stay out of until you've read the rest.

Congratulations, WWM!!! At this rate, you'll finish the First Chronicles before I finish my reread of them....

I look forward to hearing about your thought on the series!

I'm sure a lot of people once reading LFB would immediately compare it to the ultimate tome of fantasy, The Lord of the Rings. I know I did! but there were elements within LFB that were endearing on it's own and the story is compelling.

YEAH! That cut right to the heart of the 'Yoda voice' issue and I think demolished it in one go. And it was as neat a bit of literary criticism in a couple of lines as I have come across. dlbpharmd - you rock!

dlbpharmd wrote:If the poem were truly written in "yoda voice," then it would start:

In Beauty something is

Of course, SRD could've said

There is something in beauty

But,

Something there is in beauty

just sounds better to me.

How's that for literary analysis?

I have known a number of people who found LFB a slow starter but percevered to their eventual satisfaction. Me, I was hooked from page 1 and thought it was the attention to detail that was put into this part of the series that made the whole of The Land and its people such a rich and believable (no pun intended) experience. Also I thought the title 'Lord Fouls Bane' was great! I seem to be in a bit of a minority (of 1!) here but I will stick with it. Hell Yeah - I like it!

Well, I had a hard time with the names of his characters. Especially Lord Foul. Who's the hero - John Everyman?
But Drool Rockworm is pretty silly too. And as much as I love Saltheart Foamfollower, he has an unfortunate name as well.

I wasn't put off by the rape scene, rather, I saw it as challenging SRD to make it necessary and relevant. I gave him a line of credit, and I think he went about it the right way.

LFB did read slowly for me but it was partly because it's a lot of introductions and formalities before getting into the meat of the storyline...

But mostly it was because of how heavy the material in the beginning was. I saw TC's struggle with leprosy and the town to be really intense material and it made me, as a reader, more and more depressed for him and for the situation. It went on so long that I was hardpressed to see a way out of it.

Agreed. I stalled for about six months at the start of The Wounded Land.

Spoiler

When I saw the Sunbane's desecration of the Land, it was some time before I could work up the will to go back there.

The Chronicles are easily the most challenging fantasy novels I have ever read. Certainly not everyone's cup of tea.

And may I also wish Wheelwash Whitecap Mate 'Happy Reading'!

Do you mean challenging as in difficult to get in to, or in the sense that i) Covenant is in many ways not a nice man and/or ii) when the land of the first series had eventually got under your skin the total destruction of it in the second series was just too much to bear. I would put Stephen Kings Dark Tower series as more challenging in the first sense because of thier unremitting darkness (or at least unremitting as far as I got - I just couldn't carry on with them - I didn't like the central charachter).

Earthfriend wrote:Agreed. I stalled for about six months at the start of The Wounded Land.

Spoiler

When I saw the Sunbane's desecration of the Land, it was some time before I could work up the will to go back there.

The Chronicles are easily the most challenging fantasy novels I have ever read. Certainly not everyone's cup of tea.

And may I also wish Wheelwash Whitecap Mate 'Happy Reading'!

peter wrote:Do you mean challenging as in difficult to get in to, or in the sense that i) Covenant is in many ways not a nice man and/or ii) when the land of the first series had eventually got under your skin the total destruction of it in the second series was just too much to bear. I would put Stephen Kings Dark Tower series as more challenging in the first sense because of thier unremitting darkness (or at least unremitting as far as I got - I just couldn't carry on with them - I didn't like the central charachter).

Earthfriend wrote:Agreed. I stalled for about six months at the start of The Wounded Land.

Spoiler

When I saw the Sunbane's desecration of the Land, it was some time before I could work up the will to go back there.

The Chronicles are easily the most challenging fantasy novels I have ever read. Certainly not everyone's cup of tea.

And may I also wish Wheelwash Whitecap Mate 'Happy Reading'!

How far did you get in TDK?