Kevin's Watch

And there's some for Harbinger.

Yeah, maybe I'll double up and donate again to everybody in here.

--A

Heh...I don't need a double up, thank you, I was so bored with wgd's I sent 20k to Sarge...you can donate my double up to him, if you like...I think he'd enjoy a triple scoop.

I'll take another everlasting gobstopper, and another 500wgd

Vraith wrote:Heh...I don't need a double up, thank you, I was so bored with wgd's I sent 20k to Sarge...you can donate my double up to him, if you like...I think he'd enjoy a triple scoop.

Do you think he'll stop asking if we give him enough?

--A

Define "enough WGD" in the context of Sarge's world.

At least we know what quantity Menolly is seeking...

...white gold ring...
...white gold ring...
...white gold ring...

Yes, I see you have cleared the 70k hurdle. Still a ways to go...

--A

Oh... just caught up on this thread. Wow.

Zorm- if you decide to lurk and read this... well, I owe you an apology.
I asked you about a wound that was significant to you, and then I just left and didn't come back to listen.
I am sorry.
Maybe you'll think I saw everyone's posts and was just avoiding dealing with this situation.
(If you think that, I can understand. But I didn't.)

Well, it sounds like you got some things out in the open now at least.
I understand some of what you were saying about a "collaborative creative process."
Your time and your work are yours, Zorm.
(I hope you have copies of what you deleted saved elsewhere!)
The act of leaving a community can be a way of standing up for yourself, and facing your disappointment.

Good for you for speaking your mind in that farewell post.
(Because without it, we wouldn't have known why. Thank you so much for not leaving us to guess and wonder.)
May blessings go with you, on your life and in your choices.


vraith- you dork!
You think you see some important truths that people like Zorm and I really need to see, don't you?
You see how much some of us put ourselves down, and how we are just blind about our own motives, right?

Yeah, I agree you see some important truths, and I understand why you wanted to rant.
But if you're so wise, why did you choose to be so foolish about what you DID with your rage and your words?

You could do better than that; you know how to do a post that is likely to be just as effective and have less risk of hurting someone.
But then YOU might have to absorb more costs.

Oh, and also, vraith:


Shaun das Schaf- Thank you!

aliantha wrote:Define "enough WGD" in the context of Sarge's world.

i want one of all the medium to smaller items.

Thinking about running another Survivor game over in the WWM thread. I need to get 11,111 WGDs to start it.

i actually donated all my wgd's to jen...

i can haz wgds?

I'm taking donations!

Help, I've been robbed.

You guys were both very generous! Thanks.

Vraith wrote:Alright, this is the fastest and most angular divergence of a thread that I've ever seen into off-topic [though I'm a newb compared to some here].

Zorm: you are being a freaking moron. I don't know what you or someone or just the forum code did to make it happen BUT: me for instance, I've seen the separate comments thread for one of your fanfic things...and guess what? I have no fricking idea where the actual piece is. How can anyone comment on what they haven't seen? I've commented on your damn drawings for christ's sake, and I'm not even a visual person! I do words! And [in my own way] as good as Z or WF or any number of other peeps [they're as good as me too], but in another way, why the hell do you care?
do your damn work cuz it's your damn work...you have no idea why peeps pat you on the back, punch you in the mouth, or don't even see you...yet all three can help you. Reactions are a fucking BONUS, not the POINT.
sorry, I'm raving at you, but I have a raver item, and someone else got me going on raver shit today. [and also I'm sympathizing and encouraging even if it doesn't sound that way]

so either ask for WGD like the thread demands, or get back to work!

What is sadder, having your feelings deeply hurt for a time and hopefully being spurred down the road towards needful introspection, or spending a lifetime devoted to the impossible quest to attract enough positive attention to fill the inner emptiness with external validation, and love. For all the brutality of this post, I admire its honesty and its instinctive, even ferocious courage to do what is needed rather than what is popular or, seemingly, 'kind'. Vraith is a person qualified to speak in this way to another artist. I trust his instincts.

Ron Burgunihilo wrote:What is sadder, having your feelings deeply hurt for a time and hopefully being spurred down the road towards needful introspection, or spending a lifetime devoted to the impossible quest to attract enough positive attention to fill the inner emptiness with external validation, and love. For all the brutality of this post, I admire its honesty and its instinctive, even ferocious courage to do what is needed rather than what is popular or, seemingly, 'kind'. Vraith is a person qualified to speak in this way to another artist. I trust his instincts.

Hey Ron, whilst I agree sometimes it's important to be 'cruel' to be kind, I also believe there's a wisdom in knowing how and when to deliver this 'cruel kindness'. If the lesson is on the end of a too-sharp weapon then not only may the learning fail to occur but you risk doing serious damage, particularly if someone isn't in a 'secure' state.

Ask any experienced therapist, they'll often hold back important information until they think a client is ready to hear it and when they do deliver it, they don't deliver it by telling someone they're a freaking moron. As brilliant as Vraith is, he doesn't strike me as someone with experience in this area.

What you are saying is quite reasonable and I strongly sympathize with it, yet I find myself observing that just those sorts of sentiments may be used to rationalize the perpetual obfuscation of the truth. I'll let others more qualified than I judge whether Vraith's delivery was apropos to the audience. But as someone who has spent years in therapy himself, I admire the courage and honesty of Vraith's remarks, and suspect that his intuition is more reliable than may immediately be apparent. An epiphany that is painless is no epiphany at all.

In any case, it is impolite to speak of those I do not know on such intimate terms, even if a spectacle has already been made of the situation. I wish everyone well.